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Re: Apple Developer Center still down

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Could you imagine if the Linux Developer Center went down? It'd be nearly impossible to write Linux software, or download Linux development tools, or generate a Linux binary that a device was allowed to run. It'd be awful.

This is more like if Ubuntu's package repository went down regarding accepting new packages for a few days.

You need the official repositories to install new software?

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What versions of Linux do you target?

We "officially support" RHEL 5.4 and RHEL 6.0 (and thus corresponding CentOSes). But we've got customers running everything from RHEL 4.5 to the latest and greatest Ubuntus, Mints and Arch. All with the same binary installers. The only linux-related weirdness I can recall in the last two years distro-wise was Scientific Linux, which seemed to have some weird XOrg config issues.

> All with the same binary installers.

So you integrate with the user's desktop environment, using standard local widgets, theming, integration with UX guidelines, local library dependencies, etc?

Or are you shipping a Qt app with your own dependencies included? If so, Qt is pretty notoriously buggy on OS X (and rightfully disliked by most users as it stands outside all platform conventions), perhaps explaining some of your complaints.

Re: Apple Developer Center still down

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If it weren't Sunday, I wouldn't speculate, but it is. My 2 cents: iOS7 updates galore. Just imagine everything that could be overhauled. Even the old gray textured background we see is not very much like iOS 7. iOS is in a big transition here. You can't even update apps at all unless you now include 'widescreen' support, for example. If you don't, iTunes reports an Invalid Binary (no default 586 image, etc). So I wo…

So I would guess a huge overhaul, and typical Apple, is taking care of that vs. arguing or commenting on theories. A design overhaul wouldn't require the dev centre to go down at all - they could just prepare all the assets etc on testing servers and switch them over when they are ready. Given the normal warning given on any maintenance, and the obvious negative consequences for Apple's business of any extended outag…

Perhaps they're also trying to pull together all the disparate things running on the dev servers?

nwh's comment ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6078854 ) says they've got a lot of different systems running, maybe they're trying to unify them to be on one system, making upgrading/changing easier in the future?

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Could you imagine if people could make the kind of money developing things for Linux that they do developing things for iOS? It would make comments like yours kind of funny and relevant.

Android (Linux) has surpassed iOS in number of users worldwide.

And?

Re: Apple Developer Center still down

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Can you imagine writing desktop software for Linux? Inconsistent APIs, API breakage, ABI breakage, sizable variances between distributions, multiple desktops UI implementations, and you may as well just forget about mobile. I'm not justifying Apple's ever increasing shift towards enacting strict constraints on their platform developers, but the comparison with Linux is pointless.

What rubbish. Any specifics, or are you just trolling? The company I work for develops high-end desktop software for Linux, Mac and Windows, and Linux generally causes us the least trouble and OS X (thanks mostly to atrocious graphics drivers and OpenGL support in addition to really bad memory allocation/paging issues that have only just been fixed in Mountain Lion) the most trouble. And this is on limited numbers of…

I take it your software is cross-platform. What language (C++, Mono?) and GUI library (GTK 2/3, QT?) are you using? Thanks.

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I would wager more money is made via Linux than iOS by a fairly large margin.

I would wager more money is made via Linux than iOS by a fairly large margin. As an aggregate measure, spread across several million people? Perhaps. Resolving that is just a matter of looking up the data. But that's not the question that matters for an actual developer. What actually matters is: How much money are you making on one platform, and how much could you make on the other? That question has a lot more to d…

I'm not sure I completely follow you. I would calculate on the basis of developers building software that runs on top of Linux, so that would include a large proportion of all web applications as well as various embedded applications. You could probably include android in there also.

Now it's true that this isn't quite apples to apples since Linux is more fungible than iOS in most regards, mostly thanks to it's open source nature. For example moving your web application from Linux to FreeBSD is likely to make less of a revenue difference than say moving from iOS to Windows Phone 8.

The biggest point is probably that the existence of an Open Source/Free operating system has probably enabled more profitable businesses to exist than iOS.

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Use something like python and qt and you are well set by any standards.

Just use Qt. Works brilliantly, great API and documentation, and gets you 95% of the way to Windows versions and 85% of the way on OS X too. On OS X you'll have issues with native painting within OpenGL drawing and maybe event throttling / reordering for mouse / pen tablet events that you have to install a manual event filter for to fix, as OS X doesn't always send input mouse/keyboard events in the correct order.

Nobody on OS X wants a Qt app. If you have any solid competition in the market from a company willing to produce a native app, you'll lose to them.

No wonder you're having issues on OS X.

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Could you imagine if the Linux Developer Center went down? It'd be nearly impossible to write Linux software, or download Linux development tools, or generate a Linux binary that a device was allowed to run. It'd be awful.

Real businesses are affected by this. Please keep your trolling elsewhere. I came to the comments looking for what people are doing, not for snarky and ill-informed comments.

> It'd be nearly impossible to write Linux software, or download Linux development tools, or generate a Linux binary that a device was allowed to run. It'd be awful.

You clearly don't understand how the Apple Dev center works.

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Could you imagine if people could make the kind of money developing things for Linux that they do developing things for iOS? It would make comments like yours kind of funny and relevant.

There is money to be made making software for Linux. Mostly in engineering / Scientific software. Making money of utility software ? Not so much. If you are a company like PGI you are probably making a ton of money selling fortran compilers to people running Linux on their clusters.

Sadly the PGI compilers are (at least in my experience with codes I use) buggy, slow, and difficult to use. Why pay when I can get comparable performance using GNU compilers?
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