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Yugoslavs Find No Paradise at McDonald's (1988)

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Re: Yugoslavs Find No Paradise at McDonald's (1988)

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According to a recent domestic survey, average Yugoslavs work efficiently for only half of their eight-hour workday. The rest of the time is spent reading newspapers, conducting private business or having interminable private chats with colleagues over coffee. According to a recent domestic survey, average I.T. managers work efficiently for only 10% of their eight-hour workday. The rest of the time is spent reading e…

Yes, but how do define efficient work for an "I.T. manager"?

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According to a recent domestic survey, average Yugoslavs work efficiently for only half of their eight-hour workday. The rest of the time is spent reading newspapers, conducting private business or having interminable private chats with colleagues over coffee. According to a recent domestic survey, average I.T. managers work efficiently for only 10% of their eight-hour workday. The rest of the time is spent reading e…

I was just thinking, it's been a loooooong time since I've had a job that required eight straight hours of on-task work...the only jobs that fit the bill were in high school, working for a deli counter and as a roofer. Since then, it's been office jobs that were more like 6 hours of work, 4 hours of idleness/thinking time.

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I remember some people on HN saying that having the right to a job would be better than having a minimum income. As I understand it the various communist countries are an excellent case study in why this is a bad idea.

I think a minimum income is a good idea in a society where there's little demand for unskilled labor. As long as the basic income is priced below the average wage of skilled labor, people will still have incentives to find employment... but those that can't, still have a minimum quality of life that should be expected in the first world.

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"Trained employees are quitting because they find they have to work like Westerners and get paid like East Europeans." That says it all. You always get what you pay for.

Also, I bet the food prices aren't correspondingly low. I remember when McDonald's started expanding in Brazil a couple decades ago, prices were ridiculous (like $8-$9 equivalent for a big mac meal) but people still lined up around the block for the novelty and addictive quality of the food.

Brazilian here. It's still about that expensive, and still very popular.

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Just to say that the TV series mentioned in the article, Dynasty[1], was really popular then. My parents watched it as well. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynasty_%28TV_series%29

TV has always presented unrealistic expectations. Look at the hit show "Friends" - there's no way that group of people could afford apartments that size in NYC with the jobs they had (waitress/chef/copywriter/actor).

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According to a recent domestic survey, average Yugoslavs work efficiently for only half of their eight-hour workday. The rest of the time is spent reading newspapers, conducting private business or having interminable private chats with colleagues over coffee. According to a recent domestic survey, average I.T. managers work efficiently for only 10% of their eight-hour workday. The rest of the time is spent reading e…

Yes, but how do define efficient work for an "I.T. manager"?

Shush, don't divulge their secret!

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also, I bet the food prices aren't correspondingly low. I remember when McDonald's started expanding in Brazil a couple decades ago, prices were ridiculous (like $8-$9 equivalent for a big mac meal) but people still lined up around the block for the novelty and addictive quality of the food.

Brazilian here. It's still about that expensive, and still very popular.

then you deserve your fate as a nation!

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I'd be curious to see how things are today at McDonald's in the Yugosphere.

Excellent, actually. I was just speaking with someone yesterday about how McDonald's is executing a long-term strategy very effectively. They appeal to children without offending adults. The population in the region places a high emphasis on eating home-cooked meals and domestic cleanliness. They've managed to make a name for themselves without having too much negative stigma being attached to them for being "fast food" which is casually viewed as an American malaise.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also, I bet the food prices aren't correspondingly low. I remember when McDonald's started expanding in Brazil a couple decades ago, prices were ridiculous (like $8-$9 equivalent for a big mac meal) but people still lined up around the block for the novelty and addictive quality of the food.

Brazilian here. It's still about that expensive, and still very popular.

There's a chain restaurant in the USA advertising itself as genuine Brazilian cuisine. Looks like about $40/person or I believe thats about 100 Brazilian Real per person.

I'm betting that a typical Brazilian Cuisine restaurant in Brazil charges much less than 100 Real per person. That would fit my guess that they're a specialty destination which can charge pretty much anything they want... for awhile, while the novelty lasts.

(Edited to add, lazy me, I googled around and found an article online from 2012 claiming a single dude should expect to spend about R$350/month on food, so the local Brazilian restaurant in the USA is asking for more than a weeks worth of groceries equivalent, which would be pretty high end dining in my USA local experience)

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