Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Yahoo Mail is not catching up anymore

backwardcompatible.net

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

151–159 of 159 posts

Re: Yahoo Mail is not catching up anymore

#151

Post by vorporeal »

justin66 wrote: post #146
vorporeal wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Social and Promotions should basically just contain the "unimportant crap". If something is mis-categorized, you can drag it to the correct section and Gmail should learn from its mistake. Also, as mentioned below, you can revert to the un-tabbed inbox by going to the Inbox section of the settings and disabling all tabs other than Primary, or by selecting one of the split inboxes (Unread first, Priority, etc). Discla…

Wow. I just discovered this new misfeature is on my android Gmail app and didn't go away when I killed it on the web version. Where's the option to kill social and promotions on the Gmail app?

Check the account-specific settings within the app.

Re: Yahoo Mail is not catching up anymore

#152

Post by justin66 »

vorporeal wrote: post #151
justin66 wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow. I just discovered this new misfeature is on my android Gmail app and didn't go away when I killed it on the web version. Where's the option to kill social and promotions on the Gmail app?

Check the account-specific settings within the app.

Oddly enough unchecking the social and promotions categories doesn't work with the gmail app (the change is not retained). Guess I'll file a bug...

Thanks.

Re: Yahoo Mail is not catching up anymore

#153

Post by lsc »

aneth4 wrote: post #150
lsc wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder how long it will take for people to realize that putting something as important as mail on a UI they don't control is a bad idea? How long after that before google disables IMAP access to gmail? hm. maybe I should start offering (paid) IMAP mail service again.

Are you suggesting everyone write their own email client?

You see, back when web applications were hopelessly inferior to native applications, we would use a mail client that ran locally on our computer to read email. We could use that same program to check mail across many different email providers... so if we wanted to change email providers, well, we could do that without changing our UI.

These mail clients used standards like pop3 or IMAP to communicate with the mail server. with IMAP, you can check email from multiple devices/computers just as easily as you can with gmail (though, for some reason, most users were confused by IMAP; pop3 was popular long after IMAP was universally available. using pop3 from multiple computers is a huge pain.)

(Of course, this was back before everyone and their dog had their own domain name, so switching email providers was still a huge pain in the ass.)

My suggestion is that everyone pick an IMAP client to handle their email, then switch between providers as-needed.

Re: Yahoo Mail is not catching up anymore

#154

Post by aneth4 »

lsc wrote: post #153
aneth4 wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you suggesting everyone write their own email client?

You see, back when web applications were hopelessly inferior to native applications, we would use a mail client that ran locally on our computer to read email. We could use that same program to check mail across many different email providers... so if we wanted to change email providers, well, we could do that without changing our UI. These mail clients used standards like pop3 or IMAP to communicate with the mail se…

You still don't have control over the UI....

What evidence is there that google will ever stop supporting IMAP? What makes you think another provider is not going to stop supporting IMAP, or stop existing at all? What's so hard about switching providers if google does drop IMAP, particularly if you're using your own domain?

Re: Yahoo Mail is not catching up anymore

#155

Post by frenger »

masnick wrote: post #140
frenger wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> - An archive folder that works well with the archive functionality in Mail.app and other clients. I switched to Fastmail a few weeks ago and am as pleased with it as you. Just one question though - I can't find a way to recreate the "All Mail" folder from Gmail, where you would delete mail in Mail.app and it would end up in "All Mail". It ends up in Trash instead. Same with my iPhone - if I delete a message there,…

Yeah, it looks like this doesn't appear by default. To make it show up, select a message in your inbox and go to Message > Archive. That should make this folder appear: http://tmp.m-n.us/m/20130718_k83emkvnc4.png . I believe it is automatically associated with INBOX.Archive on FastMail.

cool - thanks

Re: Yahoo Mail is not catching up anymore

#156

Post by ChuckMcM »

rachelbythebay wrote: post #129
ChuckMcM wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, it is nearly unusable for me now and it is getting worse. I've thought a lot about it and I believe the problem is related to the requirement of getting new users. Back when Gmail was 'new' it had to be like Eudora or another standalone mail program (or Netscape Communicator if you remember that far back) in order to convert people. It did a good job, but 'new' people, people who have never used a standalone ema…

You'd think they'd put together another team and make a separate frontend. I mean, surely they can build two web interfaces to the same backend storage servers, right? They should have plenty of programmers to throw at the problem. The fact this hasn't happened probably says a lot about the situation, both technically and politically.

You'd think.

I wonder sometimes if it is the whole 'agile architecture' thing where one person can decide "Oh we're going to change protocol buffers for this service, I'll just push that out ..." and the collateral damage is far and wide. I used to think people who complained about the poor IMAP implementation were just unwilling to go with the flow, and then had the flow take me down to where most flows go after they have come out of the faucet :-).

The next step in the evolution is 'personal' clouds I think. An Internet appliance that you own that you use for mail and media and what not. Back to the future-past but with a more resilient design. Perhaps that idea will bear fruit, it isn't like its getting better in the "internet clouds."

Re: Yahoo Mail is not catching up anymore

#157

Post by lsc »

aneth4 wrote: post #154
lsc wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You see, back when web applications were hopelessly inferior to native applications, we would use a mail client that ran locally on our computer to read email. We could use that same program to check mail across many different email providers... so if we wanted to change email providers, well, we could do that without changing our UI. These mail clients used standards like pop3 or IMAP to communicate with the mail se…

You still don't have control over the UI.... What evidence is there that google will ever stop supporting IMAP? What makes you think another provider is not going to stop supporting IMAP, or stop existing at all? What's so hard about switching providers if google does drop IMAP, particularly if you're using your own domain?

>You still don't have control over the UI....

Well, you get to choose your mail client independently of your mail provider.

>What evidence is there that google will ever stop supporting IMAP

I have no solid evidence, of course, but the fact that they've disabled xmmp support on gtalk, to me points at a google attempting to become more of an apple or facebook-style 'walled garden'

(and all along, well, google makes money off showing you ads; if you check mail via IMAP, you aren't reading those ads)

>What's so hard about switching providers if google does drop IMAP, particularly if you're using your own domain?

If you are using IMAP to check your mail, and have your own domain, this isn't hard at all.

My view is that being a mass market IMAP provider wouldn't make all that much sense unless google did turn off IMAP, or unless google otherwise started screwing things up (things, I mean, besides the UI)

However... it's easier to do something if you've been doing it for a while, you know? I haven't seriously sysadmin'd a mailserver for anything but my own company in... almost a decade now. It would take me some time to get up to speed. So yes, if I want to be in a position to swoop in if google disables IMAP, I should probably start now.

Re: Yahoo Mail is not catching up anymore

#158

Post by medde »

tallanvor wrote: post #136
medde wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it works like Google-Search, results are not an estimate, or not even random, it looks like it is inflated .... for example, if you navigate to https://www.google.com/search?q=zzzfgh , it tells you 5,900 results until you reach a page where there is no more results and it tells you 484 results (for example, I never seen an estimate that was lower then the real count)

Duplicate removal generally happens after the initial count is received. That's why you can get major variations in the count and the actual number of results.

If I click: "If you like, you can repeat the search with the omitted results included.", I still don't get anywhere close to the initial count.

Re: Yahoo Mail is not catching up anymore

#159

Post by inthepink »

inthepink wrote: post #107

But, Ymail for the desktop still suffers... The back button is murder! And I might understand tabs for drafts, but why for each mail I read? I am forever trying to close them.

Wohoo! They seemed to have fixed the back button issue to some extent. But it still has a weird behaviour those in-app tabs.
Post reply on HN