Switching from Gmail to FastMail

Post by gcr » Fri, Jul 19, 2013, 4:29 PM UTC

mhurron wrote: post #91

maaaats wrote: post #22

For me, it's not that I'm afraid of GMail removing IMAP, it's that Gmail IMAP works really, really bad. For an email-client to work well with Gmail, it has to be tailored to Gmail, and that has given me some issues lately. For instance, most of my mail is sorted into labels, skipping the inbox. When using a mail client with IMAP, these labels shows as folders. Deleting the mail from my client, doesn't delete it from…

Wait, IMAP sucks because you do something in a non-standard way (labels in GMail) that is exposed over IMAP in the best way it can fake (folder) and it is IMAP's problem that automagically do what you think it should? And just for added measure, deleting the label seems to me to be the right thing to do.

Post by tlrobinson » Fri, Jul 19, 2013, 4:35 PM UTC

tehwalrus wrote: post #96

pyvek wrote: post #87

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Another thing to note is that even if servers aren't located in US, data may be routed through there. Traceroute from my home connection (in India) to a Singapore IP looks like: India -> US -> Japan -> US -> Japan -> Singapore I'm not saying that the NSA has forced other countries to route their data through them. It could be due to several other reasons. But the main point is that it is hard to escape the NSA. Even…

if I'm talking to my mailserver over HTTPS/IMAP TLS, I don't mind where the traffic is routed. It's still not ideal (they can still see who you're talking to), but you'll never have 100% privacy. Just make as much of the data useless as possible.

Post by toomuchtodo » Fri, Jul 19, 2013, 4:47 PM UTC

baudehlo wrote: post #97

harrytuttle wrote: post #63

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Huh? I've had my email address since 1995. I have 5Mb / 6 emails in my Maildir and that's only because I've got lazy recently. I've recieved probably 500,000 emails over the years. Hoarding email is like recording all your phone conversations and keeping the tapes in your living space. If it's worth keeping, save it elsewhere. If it's not, delete it.

I completely disagree. I've kept every email I've ever received or sent since 1996 (close to a million emails, all searchable/indexed) and it has proved extremely useful over the years to be able to find ancient emails very quickly. I'm sure some large proportion of those emails I will never use, or will never be useful, but space is cheap, and keeping them doesn't hurt at all.

Post by BoomerangZang » Fri, Jul 19, 2013, 4:58 PM UTC

tehwalrus wrote: post #5

American company, American servers, American jurisdiction. Sure they won't read your email, but the NSA will (just like Gmail.) Update: hmm, so Opera aren't american? interesting. All the servers are definitely in the US though: > "we have standard servers and a high speed connection in the US." - https://www.fastmail.fm/help/overview_about.html

Post by psbp » Fri, Jul 19, 2013, 5:12 PM UTC

ronaldx wrote: post #88

djim wrote: post #80

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Yes. Google Apps business model, and all Google Enterprise products for that matter, do not rely on ads for revenue. Google sells their business customers a product and generates revenue through those sales. The TOS protects your data.

Perhaps you didn't understand my point. Google could easily decide to serve ads to paying customers, and it seems likely that they've left this option open to exercise later. The fact that they apparently "do not rely on ads" is irrelevant. There are plenty of existent services that have revenue from customers, but still serve ads (visible examples include: pay-TV, public transport)