If only this meant they're now more likely to implement PGP in Gmail.
Ads in Gmail displayed as normal emails?
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#162I'd love for Google to work out how much money they make from me in a year, and then to offer to go ad-free for 50% more than that. At least then I could make an informed decision.
i have been waiting for this on youtube for years- i do not want to see the same video pre-roll i have already clicked skip on 30 or 40 times. Being a technology company who are seen as leaders in personalised adverts you think they would over come this terrible user experience
Adblock Plus blocks those YouTube ads, it skips over them seamlessly, so you aren't aware they are there.
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#163Horace Dediu's (asymco) graph of Googles rapidly declining margins probably illustrates why Google is now resorting to this sort of thing. http://www.asymco.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Screen-Shot... And related post. http://www.asymco.com/2013/07/19/whats-an-android-user-worth...
Anyone have an idea what is happening to their margins by the way? Who is competing against the same ad dollars as Google (FB seems a bit different), if cost per click is going down, why?
I think they are like any other big industrial company.
They build out factories (datacenters, networks, etc) based on a projection of long-term growth. Once you start missing those growth targets, it's like compounded interest... the impact of a small miss in year 1 has a big impact on the year 5 bottom line.
They have a few issues IMO:
- The market is saturated... how many more tiny classified ads can you sell?
- The "less sophisticated" users who click on ads use Bing -- the Windows default.
- There are real competitors out there... Bing, Facebook, etc.
- They piss off their hardcore users too much. Google+: enough said.
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#164Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I can't find what I want, it's non-intuitive, things aren't where they used to be and I can't stand it. I might just be getting old though... Definitely getting old. You sound exactly like every old person (3 of them) who i've moved from Outlook to Gmail.
If you joined Gmail when it was new and on an invite-only basis, you'd know just how much worse things has gotten. Back then Gmail was better than everything else. Now it's an abomination which makes me want to jump ship.
I've come to Gmail with an invite too, and I fully agree with you. But I don't know yet where I would jump to. I would prefer it to be a European company.
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#165Earlier quoted context omitted.
Fastmail[1] is looking very nice, very fast and makes Google look like a bloated pig. The prices too are similar to Google apps, but I'm not sure I'm going to move all my stuff there (Google Docs at least needs a competitor). I've yet to decide if I'm going full scale when I'm through my free trial. [1] http://fastmail.fm/
I've been using fastmail for two or three years, not sure. They're a very good service for a surprisingly small amount of money. I see anywhere from zero to two spams in my inbox per day. I just move them over to my learn spam folder. I just checked, and I have 270 spam messages in my junk folder since July 1. I use their https web interface at work, not bad, nothing special. I use thunderbird over imap at home. So i…
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#166Earlier quoted context omitted.
Fastmail[1] is looking very nice, very fast and makes Google look like a bloated pig. The prices too are similar to Google apps, but I'm not sure I'm going to move all my stuff there (Google Docs at least needs a competitor). I've yet to decide if I'm going full scale when I'm through my free trial. [1] http://fastmail.fm/
That pricing is totally feasible. I've run large Exchange implementations where a large mailbox costs around $50/year, and a small webmail costs around $20-25. That was a few years ago, based on Exchange 2007 and 2010 -- meaning using fibre channel SAN for storage, tape backups, F5, etc. If you implemented today with Exchange 2013, you'd probably be able to cut costs 30% or more. There are a ton of costs areas embedd…
Probably should have mentioned free alternatives as I've signed up with Google Apps for business prior to December 2012. Also, it's still free if you use Google Education.
So, any free alternatives to Google Apps for my domain?
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#167Hate to say "I told you so," but: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5787363, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5787398
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#168Earlier quoted context omitted.
Exactly: "Promotions" is not "Spam". There is already a spam folder, so these should go straight in there, if anywhere. How does this fit in with the CAN-SPAM act? "Unsubscribe compliance A visible and operable unsubscribe mechanism is present in all emails. Consumer opt-out requests are honored within 10 days. Opt-out lists also known as Suppression lists are only used for compliance purposes. " If there is no unsub…
They're adverts presented in the same place you see your e-mails but as they haven't been sent the the way an e-mail is, they won't have used any e-mail protocol, you won't be able to reply to them as e-mails and so on so they aren't e-mails so won't be covered by this.
So does this also mean that they won't show up in IMAP clients?
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#169Switch back to Priority Inbox while you can!
(until, of course, they sunset it.)
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#170Earlier quoted context omitted.
I tend to agree with this. I rarely, if ever, click on ads because they seem interesting. I mostly see an ad and say "oh that is interesting, I was searching for cars before and now I'm being advertised cars on a music site, how completely useless". The truth is I think Google's adsense business has never had any real true value to customers (except for perhaps their 'first page at the top' paid ads, I use them a lot…
>The truth is I think Google's adsense business has never had any real true value to customers. I doubt that adsense has positive overall value to advertisers either. Weigh the amount you spend on the ads against the amount of profit you get from the revenue resulting from that advertising. Some people will be able to make it work but I really don't think it's a large percentage. According to Wikipedia Google made $4…
When I was in high school, I worked for a farmer whose primary product was hay, as he was getting old for dairy. He was able to correlate the value of $1 investment in advertising (mostly weekly newspapers and ads at horse facilities) to sales. He used a pencil, penknife (for sharpening) and a bound marble notebook from the drugstore to do this.
At the end of the day, there may be businesses blowing useless dollars on advertising, but businesses that don't watch their dollars don't tend to last very long.