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Re: Ads in Gmail displayed as normal emails?

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Horace Dediu's (asymco) graph of Googles rapidly declining margins probably illustrates why Google is now resorting to this sort of thing. http://www.asymco.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Screen-Shot... And related post. http://www.asymco.com/2013/07/19/whats-an-android-user-worth...

Anyone have an idea what is happening to their margins by the way? Who is competing against the same ad dollars as Google (FB seems a bit different), if cost per click is going down, why?

Re: Ads in Gmail displayed as normal emails?

#152
post #142

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The promotions tab is NOT where you go to actively look for deals. You do that on Groupon. The promotion tab is where you get promotional emails from services that you have OPTED IN to receive emails from. So is it far game if the Viagra emails only appear in the promotion's tab? Google is sending spam (unsolicited emails). That is all there is s to say about it.

One could argue that signing up for a Google service is enough to form a "business relationship" with them. Just like how if you buy a new pair of rocket skis from ACME, you're likely to get promotional email from them featuring sales on anvils.

In which case I'm sure Google will provide an unsubscribe option.

Re: Ads in Gmail displayed as normal emails?

#153

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What do you use? Better yet, what's an alternative to Google Apps I can use for my domain?

Fastmail[1] is looking very nice, very fast and makes Google look like a bloated pig. The prices too are similar to Google apps, but I'm not sure I'm going to move all my stuff there (Google Docs at least needs a competitor). I've yet to decide if I'm going full scale when I'm through my free trial. [1] http://fastmail.fm/

That pricing is totally feasible. I've run large Exchange implementations where a large mailbox costs around $50/year, and a small webmail costs around $20-25.

That was a few years ago, based on Exchange 2007 and 2010 -- meaning using fibre channel SAN for storage, tape backups, F5, etc. If you implemented today with Exchange 2013, you'd probably be able to cut costs 30% or more. There are a ton of costs areas embedded in there.

If you're operating a simple (ie. no calendar, no hooks into other services) service with custom code, open source infrastructure, and no (or minimal) external licensing, you can absolutely offer a $5/year 100MB mailbox profitably. They are making higher margins on the enhanced plans as well.

Re: Ads in Gmail displayed as normal emails?

#154
post #97

Horace Dediu's (asymco) graph of Googles rapidly declining margins probably illustrates why Google is now resorting to this sort of thing. http://www.asymco.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Screen-Shot... And related post. http://www.asymco.com/2013/07/19/whats-an-android-user-worth...

Anyone have an idea what is happening to their margins by the way? Who is competing against the same ad dollars as Google (FB seems a bit different), if cost per click is going down, why?

The explanation I'd heard was that more people are using mobile devices and ads are less effective there.

Re: Ads in Gmail displayed as normal emails?

#156
post #116

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I still have to keep all of my inboxes at zero. Every inbox must still be checked in case there is something mis-directed. I go out of my way to unsubscribe from most promotions, so no, even in the promotions box this is not welcome for me.

You can disable all the tabs and return to your normal inbox.

How do you do that?

Re: Ads in Gmail displayed as normal emails?

#157
post #39

Email used to be fun, then spammers came, then good email providers added spam filters and made email fun again, now email providers are sending us spam. The circle is almost complete.

As long as Gmail's spam filter catches Google's own spam as well everything is fine ;-)

I've trained Gmail to put my G+ Instant Upload Share notification into the spam box. It has a link on the email to manage subscriptions, I turned off every god damn email option in G+ yet I still get "You have X photos to share". I maybe shared 1% of the photos I take, like picasa before it I use G+ as a cloud back up of my photos.

Re: Ads in Gmail displayed as normal emails?

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post #140
post #94

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Twitter ads look like tweets, Facebook ads look like Facebook posts, and of course search ads look like search results, at least in Gmail they have their own designated area. They replace the webclip ads when the "promotions" tab is enabled: http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2013/06/ads-in-gmails-promo...

So far, Google hasn't shown ads in search results that look like other search results though. This seems like a shift for them.

While they were never exactly the same visually, they show up under the search field, have the same link and text structure...the only difference in the lightly shaded background

Re: Ads in Gmail displayed as normal emails?

#160

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Do they have support for Gmails keyboard commands?

I don't use them, so I wouldn't know.

Well, thanks anyways. =)

Since I asked it, someone posted this to HN:

http://www.maxmasnick.com/2013/07/19/fastmail/

Which seems to suggest that it does have keyboard shortcuts. Not sure if they are the same as Gmails, but it's encouraging.

And, decided to actually just do a search, because, well yeah. I should. I discovered this:

http://fastmail.wikia.com/wiki/KeyboardShortcuts

Which from my initial review, seems to cover the shortcuts I routinely use!

Hopefully this helps others.

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