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Trinity College experiment succeeds after 69 years

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Re: Trinity College experiment succeeds after 69 years

#81
If you wanted to do this experiment with reasonable statistics, it's quite amenable to parallelization. Pitch is cheap, funnels are cheap, dusty basement shelves are (potentially) cheap, and webcams are inexpensive. Doing ~300 of these in parallel wouldn't be hard, and would allow considerable investigation of systematic effects.

Decade-scale experiments aren't hard, but they do require planning.

Re: Trinity College experiment succeeds after 69 years

#82
The Beal seed viability experiment[1] has been running for 120+ years, and iirc they keep increasing the interval between trials because there are only so many seeds stored, and so far they haven't had a significant failure in germinating and growing them.

[1] http://www.amjbot.org/content/89/8/1285.full

Re: Trinity College experiment succeeds after 69 years

#83

I bet the grad student involved is celebrating now that they can finally submit their thesis

Really, it seems like a dream gig. Just being a student for years and years and continuing to get financial aid to continue your thesis work. I've often said if I could be a student for life I'd be happy. I was just picking the wrong field of study. Viscous fluids, here I come.

Re: Trinity College experiment succeeds after 69 years

#84

I bet the grad student involved is celebrating now that they can finally submit their thesis

Really, it seems like a dream gig. Just being a student for years and years and continuing to get financial aid to continue your thesis work. I've often said if I could be a student for life I'd be happy. I was just picking the wrong field of study. Viscous fluids, here I come.

If only it were true.

In Australia, they give you 3 years (plus an additional 1/2 year extension, which isn't always granted). After that, you're on your own, and many people get a full time job to support themselves.

I've seen quite a few people abandon their PhD because of the need to pay the bills once their funding runs out. It's quite sad.

Re: Trinity College experiment succeeds after 69 years

#86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really, it seems like a dream gig. Just being a student for years and years and continuing to get financial aid to continue your thesis work. I've often said if I could be a student for life I'd be happy. I was just picking the wrong field of study. Viscous fluids, here I come.

If only it were true. In Australia, they give you 3 years (plus an additional 1/2 year extension, which isn't always granted). After that, you're on your own, and many people get a full time job to support themselves. I've seen quite a few people abandon their PhD because of the need to pay the bills once their funding runs out. It's quite sad.

Does everyone get funding? Including liberal arts?

Re: Trinity College experiment succeeds after 69 years

#87

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Chemist here. We use centrifuging to separate components of a suspension by weight. Pitch is a suspension. The heavy stuff would drop to the outside, the viscosity would be affected, no experiment.

> Chemist here. We use centrifuging to separate components of a suspension by weight. Pitch is a suspension. The last bit is puzzling: Are all suspensions fluids? And all fluids are viscous (even non-newtonian)? If so, why do we need an experiment to prove that pitch --a suspension-- is a fluid and is viscous? On the point of using a centrifuge. Is there something particularly special about gravity on earth that does…

No, all suspensions are not fluids. Amorphous rocks, for an example, often contain microcrystals in suspension. They will not flow under any circumstances. Glass can have all sorts of powders suspended in it, and is not a fluid.

Pitch can be proven to be a suspension via distillation. To prove it's a fluid, it must be observed to flow, to form a droplet, and to detach that droplet in the manner of a fluid.

Re: Trinity College experiment succeeds after 69 years

#89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chemist here. We use centrifuging to separate components of a suspension by weight. Pitch is a suspension. The heavy stuff would drop to the outside, the viscosity would be affected, no experiment.

> Chemist here. We use centrifuging to separate components of a suspension by weight. Pitch is a suspension. The last bit is puzzling: Are all suspensions fluids? And all fluids are viscous (even non-newtonian)? If so, why do we need an experiment to prove that pitch --a suspension-- is a fluid and is viscous? On the point of using a centrifuge. Is there something particularly special about gravity on earth that does…

To answer your second question, there is some critical number, which we do not know empirically, after which pressure will separate pitch.

We could apply some higher acceleration for a shorter time, but that acceleration would have to be highly consistent, and there is no way to shorten the experiment enough to keep that equipment from being unproductive to even contemplate.

Sometimes patience really is the best answer.

Re: Trinity College experiment succeeds after 69 years

#90

The first thought that popped into my punny little brain was: Why didn't they use a centrifuge to accelerate results? The one variable that could be controlled is the gravitational force on the substance. If we were on the moon the experiment, as designed, would take far longer to produce a drop. By using a centrifuge they could have easily simulated significantly greater gravitational forces and arrived at a result…

This is Ireland 1949, they probably did not had money for centrifuge.
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