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Yahoo Mail is not catching up anymore

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Re: Yahoo Mail is not catching up anymore

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Even though I've used Opera for over ten years, it kinda bums me that they acquired fastmail.fm, because I don't really know where I see Opera three years from now. Ideally, I'd like a Pinboard for e-mail.

Could you elaborate on what you mean by "a Pinboard for e-mail"?

A paid-for service that will never be acquired, such that there is never any doubt about the service's future and incentives.

Re: Yahoo Mail is not catching up anymore

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If you're tired of the gmail interface (like I was), I'd highly recommend http://fastmail.fm . I made the switch (moved 55k+ messages with http://protips.maxmasnick.com/export-gmail-to-fastmail-or-an... ) and haven't looked back. FastMail offers a similar infinite scroll feature. I was able to select and move several thousand messages through the web interface when I was first configuring it. FastMail's highlights fo…

I can't see how Sieve is significantly better than Gmail rules. Reading the examples, I seem to have the ability to do everything listed, with the exception of actually rejecting messages (versus quietly deleting/archiving).

For one, it's much easier to maintain complicated rules in Sieve than with Gmail rules. This is just a function of having multiple lines and comments for rules.

I use Sieve to push a summary of certain messages to my phone (with https://pushover.net, another great service). This is not possible with Gmail rules (you can forward an entire message, but not selectively send just the subject and sender). See https://www.fastmail.fm/docs/sieve/fm-sieve-notify.html

Sieve also supports regular expressions: https://www.fastmail.fm/docs/sieve/draft-murchison-sieve-reg...

There are some example Sieve scripts that might give you a better idea of what Sieve can do:

http://ballz.ababa.net/jerry/sieve.txt

http://fastmail.wikia.com/wiki/MichaelKloseSieveScript

Note that you don't have to do all that crazy spam stuff -- the build in spam filtering seems to work fine for me. The only manual rule I added was to spam anything with common Russian characters because Russian spam was somehow slipping through the filter.

Re: Yahoo Mail is not catching up anymore

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post #38

GMail is deteriorating. I loathe the new 'reduced' inline reply UI. Half the time I am searching for how to reveal the sender address or subject field because I need to change them, but GMail seems to think this is an edge use case. Today I got the new tabbed inboxes - 'Primary', 'Social' and 'Promotions'. Lots of important email is now out of view from the primary inbox and buried with unimportant crap. This is so f…

Half the time I think GMail is being unresponsive it turns out its just put the cursor on the screen somewhere ready for text and has given me no indication I need to look on the opposite corner of the screen from where I clicked 'reply'

Compose is even worse... What I especially hate about it is that I expext no clutter around when composing new message, they just screwed up this for me totally. (Ok, I bet they can make it worse)

Re: Yahoo Mail is not catching up anymore

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- I cannot get 1920x1080 monitor on a laptop. It would defeat the purpose. My problem is this: http://backwardcompatible.net/images/gmail.png * top posting is useless when you have long e-mail with 6-10 points to address in it. * being able to see 7 lines at a time is my real problem * the other real problem is when I have a 100-line email with 10 points to address in it and 10th point ends on line 34, I want to be a…

Your problem is that you have two lines of bookmarks all of the time? Your problem is that you don't auto-hide your taskbar? Your problem is that your version of Firefox shows a menu bar all the time for no reason? =) Or is your problem that you've never clicked on the drop-down at the top left of your reply, and clicked, "Pop out reply"? You probably just didn't know about that last one, which is understandable - it…

Thanks for the tips...

As for my browser, it isn't 2 lines of bookmarks. It's one line of bookmarks and Web Developer Toolbar is the second line. As for the menu bar, and this is the way Linux version of Firefox works, although I would probably turn it on even if it was hidden because I use History, Tools and Bookmarks menus all the time (like 20+ times a day)

I don't want to auto-hide the taskbar, I like to see which applications are running all the time. Not all people use the computer the same way, and I surely wouldn't change my usage pattern of desktop environment just to please one web application.

"Pop out reply" and Shift+Ctrl+End help, and GMail is now usable. So thanks again. :)

BTW, I did try to pop out the message and then reply but, when it pops, it opens a 800x540 window which still has text box with 7 lines of text. Even if I maximize that window, the reply box is still 7 lines and I got half of screen filled with blank white space. I missed that there is a second way to pop it out. One could argue that even HN's default textarea is a better textbox than GMail's.

Re: Yahoo Mail is not catching up anymore

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GMail is deteriorating. I loathe the new 'reduced' inline reply UI. Half the time I am searching for how to reveal the sender address or subject field because I need to change them, but GMail seems to think this is an edge use case. Today I got the new tabbed inboxes - 'Primary', 'Social' and 'Promotions'. Lots of important email is now out of view from the primary inbox and buried with unimportant crap. This is so f…

Social and Promotions should basically just contain the "unimportant crap". If something is mis-categorized, you can drag it to the correct section and Gmail should learn from its mistake. Also, as mentioned below, you can revert to the un-tabbed inbox by going to the Inbox section of the settings and disabling all tabs other than Primary, or by selecting one of the split inboxes (Unread first, Priority, etc). Discla…

Wow. I just discovered this new misfeature is on my android Gmail app and didn't go away when I killed it on the web version. Where's the option to kill social and promotions on the Gmail app?

Re: Yahoo Mail is not catching up anymore

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Yes, it is nearly unusable for me now and it is getting worse. I've thought a lot about it and I believe the problem is related to the requirement of getting new users. Back when Gmail was 'new' it had to be like Eudora or another standalone mail program (or Netscape Communicator if you remember that far back) in order to convert people. It did a good job, but 'new' people, people who have never used a standalone ema…

You'd think they'd put together another team and make a separate frontend. I mean, surely they can build two web interfaces to the same backend storage servers, right? They should have plenty of programmers to throw at the problem. The fact this hasn't happened probably says a lot about the situation, both technically and politically.

I think that the last thing Google needs to do is to throw more "designers" at it.

Re: Yahoo Mail is not catching up anymore

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GMail is deteriorating. I loathe the new 'reduced' inline reply UI. Half the time I am searching for how to reveal the sender address or subject field because I need to change them, but GMail seems to think this is an edge use case. Today I got the new tabbed inboxes - 'Primary', 'Social' and 'Promotions'. Lots of important email is now out of view from the primary inbox and buried with unimportant crap. This is so f…

I don't understand the logic behind the new tiny compose window, it looks like something from an IM program. If I'm composing an email surely the most important thing is the thing I am composing, so why give it 1/4 of the screen space? The second most important thing is the email I am replying to, but the compose window pops up over the top of that obscuring a chunk of it.

I've imagined one of their primary internal use scenarios to be Googlers with "giant" monitors who are managing multiple simultaneous email and chat conversations. The new interface turns Gmail into something of a "windowing environment" wherein all that multitasking can be managed within the smaller, quasi-pop-up "windows".

I don't particularly like the UI changes, myself. But then, I'm not... well, to cut it short, I'm increasingly aware that I am not / am no longer Google's target demographic.

Re: Yahoo Mail is not catching up anymore

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post #65

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I realize this is subjective, but I personally love the tabbed inbox. Having all the "promotional" emails I get sent moved to a separate tab where I only have to look at them when I want to has completely tamed my inbox. My primary tab now only has messages that I care about. I only wish it was implemented in a way that all clients could utilize it. I personally don't use the Gmail iOS client because I have several w…

That's what Filters and Labels are for.

Because filters and labels are so fun to manage.

Re: Yahoo Mail is not catching up anymore

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post #122

GMail is deteriorating. I loathe the new 'reduced' inline reply UI. Half the time I am searching for how to reveal the sender address or subject field because I need to change them, but GMail seems to think this is an edge use case. Today I got the new tabbed inboxes - 'Primary', 'Social' and 'Promotions'. Lots of important email is now out of view from the primary inbox and buried with unimportant crap. This is so f…

I wonder how long it will take for people to realize that putting something as important as mail on a UI they don't control is a bad idea? How long after that before google disables IMAP access to gmail? hm. maybe I should start offering (paid) IMAP mail service again.

Are you suggesting everyone write their own email client?
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