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Re: Flynn - Open Source PaaS powered by Docker

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This is great guys, good to see more people bringing PaaS-like workflow without the baggage. We've been working in this space with Juju ( http://juju.ubuntu.com ) but we're using standard LXC for containers. Using LXC allows us to support applications that run on multiple processes, and since Juju is also written in Go, It seems like it might be possible for us to work together in some interesting ways. We already ha…

Has the issue with juju on LXC not surviving reboots been fixed?

Re: Flynn - Open Source PaaS powered by Docker

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post #86

This is great guys, good to see more people bringing PaaS-like workflow without the baggage. We've been working in this space with Juju ( http://juju.ubuntu.com ) but we're using standard LXC for containers. Using LXC allows us to support applications that run on multiple processes, and since Juju is also written in Go, It seems like it might be possible for us to work together in some interesting ways. We already ha…

Juju is a great project and you guys are way ahead of the game but the AGPL licensing is problematic for proprietary services built on that platform.

Do you mind explaining that? Would the fact that they use AGPL for Juju matter if you're not hacking on Juju itself? I don't see how it would be an issue, it wouldn't extend to the proprietary software you run on a Juju-setup service, would it?

I could be completely wrong, mind you.

Re: Flynn - Open Source PaaS powered by Docker

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Flynn is particularly appealing to companies that need to completely control their own infrastructure. In the same sense that git being open source helps, not hurts github, I think there's limited crossover between the users of Flynn and DotCloud customers.

Who in their right mind would pay $0.288 per hour (a little over $200 per month) to dotCloud for roughly the equivalent of an EC2 small instance, when with just a little extra time spent up front, they'll be able to fire up an AMI of Flynn and pay less than a quarter as much per month?

Me, for one. I CBF diddling around with firing up AMI's and dealing with everything myself anymore. A lot of developers are like that, too.

Re: Flynn - Open Source PaaS powered by Docker

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@titanous Jonathan Rudenberg Are you the only developer on this project currently? Sorry, just found your FAQ is at the bottom of the page and the question I had was on the bottom right corner ;) Just in case someone is too lazy to look it up himself: He's not alone and teamed up with Jeff Lindsay.

Nope, Jeff Lindsay ( http://progrium.com ) is the other half of the team.

Tent and now Flynn. You are building some foundational pillars that have the potential to empower a lot of people. Great work!

Re: Flynn - Open Source PaaS powered by Docker

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If open source projects had always required $50,000+ to get started, we might not have GNU/Linux today. Why can't you start the project first and then ask for donations later? Are you saying that unless you guys get paid you're not going to work on the project?

You will not nearly get as much money if you ask for donations later. Certainly not enough to pay for your cost of living. People have the tendency of thinking "hey I can get this for free, and I can get this TODAY. hm those developers are cool. maybe I'll donate some day" Then they download and use the thing. 97% forget about donating and never return. Of the remaining people, they donate maybe $100 or something.

proof?

Re: Flynn - Open Source PaaS powered by Docker

#136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Flynn is particularly appealing to companies that need to completely control their own infrastructure. In the same sense that git being open source helps, not hurts github, I think there's limited crossover between the users of Flynn and DotCloud customers.

Who in their right mind would pay $0.288 per hour (a little over $200 per month) to dotCloud for roughly the equivalent of an EC2 small instance, when with just a little extra time spent up front, they'll be able to fire up an AMI of Flynn and pay less than a quarter as much per month?

Who in their right mind would pay for a dedicated server monthly when with just a little extra time spent up front, they'll be able to buy an inhouse server and pay less than a quarter as much in the long run?

You see where I'm trying to go with that?

Re: Flynn - Open Source PaaS powered by Docker

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You will not nearly get as much money if you ask for donations later. Certainly not enough to pay for your cost of living. People have the tendency of thinking "hey I can get this for free, and I can get this TODAY. hm those developers are cool. maybe I'll donate some day" Then they download and use the thing. 97% forget about donating and never return. Of the remaining people, they donate maybe $100 or something.

proof?

Human observation. How many open source applications do you use that you have paid for?

Re: Flynn - Open Source PaaS powered by Docker

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You will not nearly get as much money if you ask for donations later. Certainly not enough to pay for your cost of living. People have the tendency of thinking "hey I can get this for free, and I can get this TODAY. hm those developers are cool. maybe I'll donate some day" Then they download and use the thing. 97% forget about donating and never return. Of the remaining people, they donate maybe $100 or something.

proof?

FooBarWidget (who you replied to) is actually Phusion, the maker of Passenger (the very popular Rails app server). I think they have some very strong anecdotal evidence.

Up until recently Passenger was completely free, with donation options. Now they have an Enterprise offering - which we are happily paying for. I suspect the Enterprise licenses are orders of magnitude more than the donations ever were.

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