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Form letter response for engineering recruiting emails

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Re: Form letter response for engineering recruiting emails

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post #5

We're so lucky to be in an industry where our biggest problem is too many people trying to hire us. Thank god I'm not an auto worker.

i'm a startup co-founder. i quite like getting recruiter emails as it lets me know what the competition is doing (in my city, and dozens of other cities around the world), hiring-wise. i can even get one on the phone and find out exactly who is hiring for specific technologies (so conveniently listed in the email), by pretending to be interested in a job.

if i'm in a chatty mood, i can even get insider information from these casual conversations like how fast these companies are growing and what technology they use behind the scenes. when companies hire recruiters, this information is leaked out. they know this; that's part of the dance to attract talent.

this information then can be used in my own interviews with people i'm trying to hire. see how that works? it's almost as if we're competing in a market. let's call it.... the labor market.

good recruiters are highly active in this back and forth, that's how they make their living. bad ones just send shitty emails and give out info without producing/capturing any value themselves.

the thing most engineers don't understand is that in a business context, everything in your environment can be used to your advantage, if you just figure out how. even annoying emails. i'm not saying i've figured it all out, but this is definitely one obvious thing that everyone who runs a company or even a small team is aware of.

and that's why most people don't run startups. they'd rather sit there and be annoyed at things and write passive aggressive emails to people who won't even read them. LOL you might as well write something similar up and send it to the guy who sends the penis pills or oxycontin emails also. make sure you make those nice check boxes too! he's going to give just about as much of a shit.

furthermore, 80/20 rule applies and a simple set of procmail filters can get rid of the vast majority of recruiter emails. there's only a few dozen firms that do this sort of thing at any any appreciable scale. but really, you should be reading these emails too, if you give a shit about the industry you work in

to me this just sounds like faux-annoyance / ego tripping on how in-demand our field currently is. it won't last forever. i know because i've lived through 2 downturns already.

Re: Form letter response for engineering recruiting emails

#22
post #9

I share your exasperation and agree that while I hold back such emotions, sometimes I am tempted to reply back in a bit offensive manner. And I have never replied to any such mails in past, not doing it in present, nor I am inclined to do this in future. But I cannot agree with your second point in Additionally section. The recruiters are doing their jobs, whether or not just sending cold emails. They are not obligat…

> They are not obligated to understand or even know the 'work style of engineers'.

Salespeople (which is effectively what recruiters are) are not obligated to know anything about their product or customers. But it can really help.

Re: Form letter response for engineering recruiting emails

#23
post #17

You guys, as good engineers, completely misses the subtle point. They are not after you. Or the best. Those would never work for them anyway. They are after the unwashed masses that would fall for that. That fall everyday for a car salesman pressing them for the more expensive model. We all are just percentage error for those people. And they couldn't care less.

> And they couldn't care less.

In general, making people believe that they are important seems to be a malicious but very effective trick. Everyone likes to be important.

Re: Form letter response for engineering recruiting emails

#24
post #8

So true. My take, in my role as VP engineering at Radius, I have hand-written every recruiting email I've ever sent . No template. I personalize it to you. A lot of people discard it as spam, or don't accept the in-mail, or whatever. I understand, but at least on the off chance they read it, I know I tried my best and showed legit interest. Sad that recruiters don't take the time to do such a thing, but it's often a…

for what it's worth- I always try to reply to hand-written emails that demonstrate the sender took time to read about me, even though I'm only responding to simply say thanks for reaching out.

on the flipside, I instantly trash anything that looks template-ish or shotgun-approach.

Re: Form letter response for engineering recruiting emails

#25
Here's mine:

Hi there,

Please remove all data pertaining to myself or Happy Bear Software from your systems and refrain from contacting me again. Any future correspondence including a reply to this email will be reported as spam.

Kind Regards,

Honestly, a developer who's taken a flick through a book about sales and marketing (e.g. Ultimate Sales Machine) would do a fantastically better job of selling recruitment services (at both ends) than 99.99% of recruiters.

Re: Form letter response for engineering recruiting emails

#27

Here's mine: Hi there, Please remove all data pertaining to myself or Happy Bear Software from your systems and refrain from contacting me again. Any future correspondence including a reply to this email will be reported as spam. Kind Regards, Honestly, a developer who's taken a flick through a book about sales and marketing (e.g. Ultimate Sales Machine) would do a fantastically better job of selling recruitment serv…

I once tried this with a recruiter, and they got very testy with me in a new email, accusing me of wasting their time. ha ha ha. needless to say, I did not respond further.

Re: Form letter response for engineering recruiting emails

#28
post #9

I share your exasperation and agree that while I hold back such emotions, sometimes I am tempted to reply back in a bit offensive manner. And I have never replied to any such mails in past, not doing it in present, nor I am inclined to do this in future. But I cannot agree with your second point in Additionally section. The recruiters are doing their jobs, whether or not just sending cold emails. They are not obligat…

> They are not obligated to understand or even know the 'work style of engineers'. Salespeople (which is effectively what recruiters are) are not obligated to know anything about their product or customers. But it can really help.

If knowing your customer strategy works well, then the world would be much happier place to live because then we won't get any automated adverts on mobile etc. I understand your point, but imagine, a recruiter planning to call you only to ignore it thinking 'Oh, s/he a busy person. Let me not disturb s/he'. Not going to work in real world.

'Knowing your customers' usually means that sale-person know how and what a customer is thinking so s/he can bank upon it. It doesn't mean that sales-person should contact only when customer is away from work and is not too busy to talk.

Re: Form letter response for engineering recruiting emails

#29

I love this. I modified it for my own use: https://draftin.com/documents/95708?token=uf_BIHiv8xAonKejRl...

quick note for you: in your hn profile you say "graduating May 2013". According to the about on your site http://www.philipithomas.com/about/ you graduated in May, but on your cv site http://cv.philipithomas.com/ you say "I graduate this month" and in education you say "expected 5/13"

If you finally graduated, it's time to update all the info :-)

Re: Form letter response for engineering recruiting emails

#30

Why is there not some way to disrupt this industry??? It is maddening that these people even exist. How is normal to take 35% of someone's salary for 6 months because you got to them first at the right time? How is it ethical to whittle a starry eyed junior down to 30 bucks an hour so you can take 60 or 70 plus? There has to be a way simpler way to connect folks to jobs in this day and age. ...Sorry, it just gets to…

I agree completely... this is even worse in countries where it's quite uncommon for companies to hire independent contractors.

Here in Spain there are a lot of companies (known among engineers as "cárnicas", meat factories) that recruit people as own employees when they see an opening for contract work in a company, ship them directly to the contracting company for short terms proyects, and dumping them uncereimoniously when the contract ends.

They pocket a generous hourly rate, paying the contractor a standard rate monthly salary.

A large part of job offers publicly available here are of this kind...

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