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Re: Flynn - Open Source PaaS powered by Docker

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Post by danielsiders »

oellegaard wrote: post #64
progrium wrote: post #61

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For now, the best way you can help is to try and sell your organization on sponsoring a larger amount. We can help you if they're interested. :)

I think I know a company that would be interested, but I noticed something on the page: "Please consider giving a little extra if you are also requesting additional features." -> Does this mean you get to be a part of deciding features if you donate?

We'll definitely take feature requests from sponsors seriously. The biggest limiting factor is how much time we can afford to spend on development. Anyone who substantially helps out with that gets a bigger voice in prioritizing the order we develop the reach features.

Re: Flynn - Open Source PaaS powered by Docker

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Post by progrium »

_alex4nder wrote: post #42
progrium wrote: post #17

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Docker was a big piece of the puzzle. I worked with DotCloud to make Docker happen and we're involved in that community quite heavily. There's still a lot more work to do, otherwise we would not be bothering with a campaign like this.

Not to discount your work, but the way I see it: the kernel (e.g. cgroups, namespaces) and the corresponding lxc work dwarfs anything docker brought to the table. This project smells like a campaign to get a product funded.

Considering LXC support will soon be a module to Docker and not core, I'm not sure you understand what value Docker adds. Just as there is value added all the way up the stack.

Regarding the product funding remark, that's not the intention, though with the license anybody could build a product with this project. I'm not convinced that's a bad thing.

Re: Flynn - Open Source PaaS powered by Docker

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Post by druiid »

danielsiders wrote: post #56
mwcampbell wrote: post #52

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Are you not concerned that once Flynn gets good enough, lots of companies will take a little time to get Flynn set up on VPSes or dedicated servers, rather than pay the high premium for dotCloud?

Flynn is particularly appealing to companies that need to completely control their own infrastructure. In the same sense that git being open source helps, not hurts github, I think there's limited crossover between the users of Flynn and DotCloud customers.

Not sure I completely agree with this. I don't know what your internal discussions were, but at least one of your competitors has an 'enterprise' option in which they give you your own version of the toolkit. Sadly among this was that they stopped with their open-source contributions to the Cloud Foundry community (Their last update appears to have been over two years ago https://github.com/cloudfoundry/vcap/pull/105).

I'm not complaining that an alternative to Cloud Foundry is going to exist, but I'm still a bit surprised.

Re: Flynn - Open Source PaaS powered by Docker

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Post by cmelbye »

polvi wrote: post #66

I'm curious what type of deployment APIs people want. It is the docker rest API + git push for your own code? Should we be using heroku APIs? Are we going to invent something new like OpenStack did?

Supporting Heroku APIs somehow would be really great.

Re: Flynn - Open Source PaaS powered by Docker

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Post by progrium »

methehack wrote: post #65
knodi wrote: post #40

Heroku I'm looking at you, lower your prices.

Heroku has been able to charge a premium for ease of use. It's hard to imagine, though, that ease of use will be a competitive advantage much longer. Much of their creativity (and it's substantial) has been in showing the way and it's only a matter of time, it seems to me, before that will be imitated (in a flattering way) by open source projects. Ultimately, it seems, heroku will need to find an additional axis (bes…

Yeah. And by the way, I love Heroku, if it's not obvious. I'm friends with their engineers and visit their offices occasionally. It's been one of the most inspiring platforms I've seen.

Re: Flynn - Open Source PaaS powered by Docker

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Post by josegonzalez »

oellegaard wrote: post #60
coenhyde wrote: post #33

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So am I. What's your project?

https://github.com/KristianOellegaard/puppet-dokku Lots of uncomitted changs locally. With this announcement, not sure if its worth continuing down this path.

Nope, keep going. Always worth working on your side project!

Re: Flynn - Open Source PaaS powered by Docker

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Post by mwcampbell »

danielsiders wrote: post #56
mwcampbell wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you not concerned that once Flynn gets good enough, lots of companies will take a little time to get Flynn set up on VPSes or dedicated servers, rather than pay the high premium for dotCloud?

Flynn is particularly appealing to companies that need to completely control their own infrastructure. In the same sense that git being open source helps, not hurts github, I think there's limited crossover between the users of Flynn and DotCloud customers.

Who in their right mind would pay $0.288 per hour (a little over $200 per month) to dotCloud for roughly the equivalent of an EC2 small instance, when with just a little extra time spent up front, they'll be able to fire up an AMI of Flynn and pay less than a quarter as much per month?
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