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Re: Flynn - Open Source PaaS powered by Docker

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Post by Titanous »

druiid wrote: post #13
Titanous wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The 'cluster' is a group of nodes running the Docker + Flynn software. It can be anything from a single server to a fleet of EC2 instances to a rack of servers. It would be easy to make a tool that spawns instances running Flynn on your choice of public/private cloud.

Okay, thanks for clarifying. The next question then would be, if you do reach your stretch goals and implement auto-scaling, would you at that point have cloud/MaaS API integration?

It's possible, we want to make Flynn really easy to use.

Re: Flynn - Open Source PaaS powered by Docker

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Post by danielsiders »

druiid wrote: post #9
chatmasta wrote: post #6

And this is why you shouldn't open source the core part of your business (looking at you DotCloud). Sure, Docker is good for the community. But it's also a key competitive advantage for DotCloud. By giving away that advantage, they create opportunities for viable competitors.

Indeed. I'm a bit curious as to why DotCloud released Docker? I mean, sure, someone was going to have an easy-to-use container system sooner or later, but for now that is one of the few defining features that DotCloud has going for them... although one of their competitors is successfully using a modified version of Cloud Foundry (AppFog).

We're been working with the DotCloud folks on the container problem since long before Docker was public. They've been very supportive of our efforts to build a full featured PaaS based on Docker and knew about it long before they released Docker publicly. They have their own strategy for their company and product, releasing Docker was a very intentional part of that.

Re: Flynn - Open Source PaaS powered by Docker

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Post by shykes »

chatmasta wrote: post #6

And this is why you shouldn't open source the core part of your business (looking at you DotCloud). Sure, Docker is good for the community. But it's also a key competitive advantage for DotCloud. By giving away that advantage, they create opportunities for viable competitors.

Hi, I'm the founder of dotCloud and author of Docker. Projects like Flynn are the reason we opened Docker in the first place. They are a good thing for the docker ecosystem, and they are definitely good for dotCloud.

The dirty little secret of PaaS is that there is not, and will never be a single PaaS that fits everyone's needs. With docker we offer a foundation for many PaaSes to engage in a healthy competition while preserving interoperability.

So Shopify will always be free to mix and match Flynn's lego bricks with the bricks of other offerings - because they are all Docker-compatible. The authors of Flynn get that, which is why I believe their product will be good and I will be personally sponsoring it :)

Re: Flynn - Open Source PaaS powered by Docker

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Post by johnbellone »

Titanous wrote: post #4
amccloud wrote: post #3

So it's not open source yet?

It's still in the early stages of development. We're currently fundraising so that we can work on it full time. All code will be pushed to GitHub as we write it.

I'eve been sketching out something that is beginning to sound similar to me. Looking forward to seeing what you've already produced.

Re: Flynn - Open Source PaaS powered by Docker

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Post by jahewson »

progrium wrote: post #20
jahewson wrote: post #12

My main problem with Docker is that container IP addresses and MACs are changed after every container reboot. This means I can't have a database in one container and a web app in another because I have no way for the web app to discover the address of the database server. Seems like this would be an issue for the host-only (private) network?

Docker is in very active development and issues like this get resolved every week. That said, it's not a problem because of the service discovery and routing that would be involved in the Flynn system.

Yes, Docker is moving quickly but one barrier to resolving this is philosophical: static IPs and private networks are un-Dockerish. Right now it's not obvious what a clean solution would look like. I'd be keen to see how Flynn's discovery and routing develops, it sounds very promising.

Re: Flynn - Open Source PaaS powered by Docker

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Post by oellegaard »

shykes wrote: post #24
chatmasta wrote: post #6

And this is why you shouldn't open source the core part of your business (looking at you DotCloud). Sure, Docker is good for the community. But it's also a key competitive advantage for DotCloud. By giving away that advantage, they create opportunities for viable competitors.

Hi, I'm the founder of dotCloud and author of Docker. Projects like Flynn are the reason we opened Docker in the first place. They are a good thing for the docker ecosystem, and they are definitely good for dotCloud. The dirty little secret of PaaS is that there is not, and will never be a single PaaS that fits everyone's needs. With docker we offer a foundation for many PaaSes to engage in a healthy competition whil…

You have my deepest respect! I wish more people would think the same way.
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