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Being an excellent robot (Erica Goldson Graduation speech)

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Re: Being an excellent robot (Erica Goldson Graduation speech)

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Pretty much anyone can excel at the level of dedication shown in the speech. The question is whether you can conjure up that dedication at will, to point at a chosen goal. If yes, god, if no, robot.

My reading of the speech (full here[1]), was the opposite of your conclusion. She makes the case that people are naturally passionate about (different) things, and should be free to follow that passion. She makes the case that many jobs could be automated out of existence, if the objective was to free people from the need to work, rather than to perpetuate a status quo that keeps them tired and passive. These are fai…

What's the difference between passion and true dedication? I would have said there wasn't one.

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I find that hilarious. Particularly "While others would come to class without their homework done because they were reading about an interest of theirs, I never missed an assignment", "while others sat in class and doodled..." and "while others were creating music..." This seems remarkably naive. The doodlers did not all become artists, many were just bored or uninterested. The ones missing assignments were probably…

And if you're the sort of person that can excel at anything they put their mind to, just because they want to, then the world is yours to do with as you please. That doesn't make you a robot, it makes you a god. There is no such "sort of person". Which is fine, because that person is a strawman of yours: that graduation speech is about people who can excel at anything others put their mind to. Being the best at follo…

>There is no such "sort of person".

Well that's a depressing thought. That the world is nobody's oyster, and it's only because nobody cares enough about what they choose.

(Unless you're arguing that devoted work doesn't lead to excelling, in which case I think you're crazy or using completely different definitions than me.)

Re: Being an excellent robot (Erica Goldson Graduation speech)

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post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My reading of the speech (full here[1]), was the opposite of your conclusion. She makes the case that people are naturally passionate about (different) things, and should be free to follow that passion. She makes the case that many jobs could be automated out of existence, if the objective was to free people from the need to work, rather than to perpetuate a status quo that keeps them tired and passive. These are fai…

What's the difference between passion and true dedication? I would have said there wasn't one.

I meant that dedication is when you make yourself do something in order to achieve a goal, while passion is doing that thing for it's own sake. That's what I think the girl meant. Which is the opposite of what the GP was talking about.

Clearly, doing anything significant requires dedication - you aren't going to enjoy every moment. And people become passionate about whatever they do. Or they have passion for the goal they are dedicated to. The contradiction is artificial.

But I can see that, if the speaker felt like her life was full of dedication, without passion, she'd feel very unfulfilled.

Re: Being an excellent robot (Erica Goldson Graduation speech)

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What I see in this brief (I haven't seen the actual talk) is an understandable fear to get out of the education system. Let's face it, from kindergarden to the end of college, what we have is a set of "levels", a fixed path with very very few points where you can actually decide something. The natural step is to reach the next level and keep doing roughly the same. More tests, more lessons... etc BUT, when that syste…

That's a very insightful post. Thank you.

Re: Being an excellent robot (Erica Goldson Graduation speech)

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The only hard part is knowing what you want to do with your life and how to make a living from it. Being top of the class certainly doesn't hurt your chances at success, if anything it instills dedication and discipline necessary to achieve whatever you decide to do next.

School is just a really long training level. It's not as fun as the game, but make the most of it and the game will be much easier to play.

Re: Being an excellent robot (Erica Goldson Graduation speech)

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I find that hilarious. Particularly "While others would come to class without their homework done because they were reading about an interest of theirs, I never missed an assignment", "while others sat in class and doodled..." and "while others were creating music..." This seems remarkably naive. The doodlers did not all become artists, many were just bored or uninterested. The ones missing assignments were probably…

>The doodlers did not all become artists, many were just bored or uninterested. In fact, the doodlers were likely attending to the lecture, e.g. http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1882127,00.ht...

Not sure why you were downvoted. You may well be right, as a lifelong fidgeter myself, it helps me concentrate.

Re: Being an excellent robot (Erica Goldson Graduation speech)

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What I see in this brief (I haven't seen the actual talk) is an understandable fear to get out of the education system. Let's face it, from kindergarden to the end of college, what we have is a set of "levels", a fixed path with very very few points where you can actually decide something. The natural step is to reach the next level and keep doing roughly the same. More tests, more lessons... etc BUT, when that syste…

This is true. I think society has gotten better at stretching out the shelter over time. It used to be undergrad + law school, then figure it out. Now it's undergrad + banking/consulting/TFA + MBA + McKinsey, then figure it out.

Or for the lucky who were REALLY into programming, we knew early on that grades didn't matter as much so long as we learned enough to be valuable, since it's a field that's a relative meritocracy.

My experience, though, was the folks not handing in homework assignments were doing it out of laziness, not alternative studies.

Re: Being an excellent robot (Erica Goldson Graduation speech)

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I find that hilarious. Particularly "While others would come to class without their homework done because they were reading about an interest of theirs, I never missed an assignment", "while others sat in class and doodled..." and "while others were creating music..." This seems remarkably naive. The doodlers did not all become artists, many were just bored or uninterested. The ones missing assignments were probably…

And if you're the sort of person that can excel at anything they put their mind to, just because they want to, then the world is yours to do with as you please. That doesn't make you a robot, it makes you a god. There is no such "sort of person". Which is fine, because that person is a strawman of yours: that graduation speech is about people who can excel at anything others put their mind to. Being the best at follo…

>> There is no such "sort of person".

Of course there is. Some people excel effortlessly, some are able to (and want to) dedicate themselves to a task and excel. Some can't excel despite effort and some cannot focus themselves to make the effort at all. We are all different. Or do you live in the kind of imaginary utopia where anyone can be the best at anything if they just apply themselves?

>> that graduation speech is about people who can excel at anything others put their mind to.

If you can excel at anything others put your mind to, simply because you want to excel (which was directly what was in the cartoon), then you can do it for anything you can put your mind to as well. This sets you up to win at life in almost any way you want to and is not something to lament.

The cartoon (to me) is about someone waking up to the fact they have choices and that they get to figure out what they want. Awesome. Good for them.

It also betrays a very naive (as you would expect from someone of that age) view of the working world and the rest of humanity and makes the assumption that all of the other people that do go to college and on to work have never had these thoughts.

>> if you can't distinguish the interesting from the idiotic assignments, and fulfill them all with equal dog-like obedience, that's not very smart

If she can excel at any task set, she's very smart and she's proved to herself she can do anything if she tries. She has a lot of life left to figure out where she wants to go.

>> Do you think people who blindly follow orders grow on trees, or are aware of the fact that's essentially all they're doing? Because I'd say no to both.

No, I think that the image of school as a robot factory and point of government control is overblown, almost to the point of a conspiracy theory.

Re: Being an excellent robot (Erica Goldson Graduation speech)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

And if you're the sort of person that can excel at anything they put their mind to, just because they want to, then the world is yours to do with as you please. That doesn't make you a robot, it makes you a god. There is no such "sort of person". Which is fine, because that person is a strawman of yours: that graduation speech is about people who can excel at anything others put their mind to. Being the best at follo…

>There is no such "sort of person". Well that's a depressing thought. That the world is nobody's oyster, and it's only because nobody cares enough about what they choose. (Unless you're arguing that devoted work doesn't lead to excelling, in which case I think you're crazy or using completely different definitions than me.)

There is no person who can do literally anything just "because their put their mind to it", and the world is nobodies oyster because it's not an oyster. Also, because it has other people in it.

"Love and knowledge, so far as they were possible, led upward toward the heavens. But always pity brought me back to earth. Echoes of cries of pain reverberate in my heart. Children in famine, victims tortured by oppressors, helpless old people a burden to their sons, and the whole world of loneliness, poverty, and pain make a mockery of what human life should be. I long to alleviate this evil, but I cannot, and I too suffer." --- Bertrand Russell, "Autobiography"

Unless you're arguing that devoted work doesn't lead to excelling

I'm not arguing it doesn't, why wouldn't it. I just don't see how that makes anyone a god, whatever that's even supposed to mean other than "epic" or "awesome" or other nonsense. No, that's simply being a human. Heck, it even applies to plants.

As I just said, it's not about YOU putting your mind about something, it's about someone ELSE putting your mind to something. That this crucial distinction keeps getting missed is kinda creepy :/

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