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Yahoo's Fight for its Users Earns the Company Special Recognition by EFF

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Re: Yahoo's Fight for its Users Earns the Company Special Recognition by EFF

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"forced in" meaning that in order to continue to conduct business as is without trying to circumvent in the name of their users interests, they chose to align their interests with the surveillance state in order to minimize any potential short term corporate hardships. It kind of reminds me of how a certain president received a nobel peace prize yet the actions conducted under his policies (or rule) are in contradict…

There's a huge difference between tail-waggingly complying with a government request, and fighting back with every method available until you are defeated. Many tech companies didn't even raise "arms" against the NSA invasion -- they in fact built systems to make the NSA's surveillance easier than they even needed to. In a society governed by laws, and enforced with guns, you don't have a choice about complying with…

>There's a huge difference between tail-waggingly complying with a government request, and fighting back with every method available until you are defeated.

But submitting oneself the court system of the state to overturn the the secret rule of the state, on face value, looks like an exercise in futility…

And like I said below, being rewarded a golden star from the EFF to stick upon Marrissa's Fridge while remaining complicit and receive praise from those in the tech community for "trying", is quite amusing to watch. They could have been much more effective publicly denouncing such secret order and face the ramifications as a multinational corporation… you know, like HSBC's slap on the wrist for laundering drug money that the state says is always going to the terrorists.

>In a society governed by laws, and enforced with guns, you don't have a choice about complying with laws, unless you want to be hauled off and put in a dank cell (some admirable dissidents do that, but nobody should expect that level of commitment from their email provider).

Or you pull a snowden and watch the global state trip all over its own laws and the sovereignty of other nations to try and catch you.

Re: Yahoo's Fight for its Users Earns the Company Special Recognition by EFF

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post #58

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Uh what do you have against remote working that you're switching to Yahoo just cause they banned it?

I understood that to mean he'd forgotten about the company until the remote-working ban controversy brought it back into the spotlight, not that he's boycotting Yahoo on the basis of its remote-working policy

Actually he thought the opposite, that said user was switching to Yahoo! because they banned remote-working on the basis that said user does not approve of remote-working.

But it is confusing.

Re: Yahoo's Fight for its Users Earns the Company Special Recognition by EFF

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This was 6 years back. When probably Terry Semel or Jerry Yang were at Yahoo!

Makes you wonder about some of Microsoft's undisclosed intentions when Yahoo! was a suitor[1] given what happened when/after Skype[2] entered Microsoft's fold. Though the credible timeline[3] given suggests that Yahoo! may have already been forced to capitulate. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Yahoo!#Acquisition_a... [2] http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/11/microsoft-nsa-co... [3] http://thenextweb…

If you're going to bash Microsoft, at least find an accurate point to build your case on. Skype was added to the PRISM program 8 months before being acquired by Microsoft in 2011, and was looking into how to cooperate with wiretaps since 2008 under Project Chess.

Re: Yahoo's Fight for its Users Earns the Company Special Recognition by EFF

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The complete tally for different companies is here: https://www.eff.org/who-has-your-back-2013

not surprsed to see dropbox rated so well. My friend used to work there, and even though they split over differences, he commended them for truly respecting user privacy and that it is one thing that dbox absolutely gets right.

Not to discredit them completely, but don't forget that dropbox was listed as "coming soon" in the PRISM slides.

Re: Yahoo's Fight for its Users Earns the Company Special Recognition by EFF

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I doubt you can "join" PRISM. You're forced in.

Both Twitter and Apple (Steve Jobs era) refused to participate.

Any source on that Steve Jobs speculation?

It makes more sense that Apple's lack of attractive cloud/internet service presence delayed their eventual adoption.

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post #33

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> potential short term corporate hardships You mean prison time, like what happened to Joseph Nacchio? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Nacchio

Notice I did not say "potential short term individual hardships", regardless of what he was charged and convicted of (which wasn't failure to comply with NSA orders of which he says are in retaliation of)…

So you're completely disregarding the possibility that Qwest was dismantled and Nacchio was just a pawn?

Re: Yahoo's Fight for its Users Earns the Company Special Recognition by EFF

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post #41

Subhed: "The truth begins putting its pants on." https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5876108

Except when Snowden actively denies these companies inability to avoid compliance.

I'm not sure who to believe that this point. This whole thing is messier than cold war politics and it was probably orchestrated that way.

Re: Yahoo's Fight for its Users Earns the Company Special Recognition by EFF

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"... While Yahoo still has a way to go in the other Who Has Your Back categories (and they remain the last major email carrier not using HTTPS encryption by default)..." Why? and how vulnerable to Eve, not using HTTPS?

This is what I'm so confused about. 6 years ago they realized they would need to protect their customers from prying eyes yet they couldn't wrap their heads around encryption being a major player in that system? I'm not buying it.

Re: Yahoo's Fight for its Users Earns the Company Special Recognition by EFF

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I have hated yahoo because of their poor products, bad user experience, ridiculous design sense, and what appears to be just brand marketing for a brand's sake. However, I have to say this news gives me a strong reason to reevaluate yahoo. And my own feelings about this makes it clear to me there is a market in customers who are interested in having their rights respected. I'm looking forward to the new wave of stron…

Dunno what your criticisms are about. I've used yahoo, specifically the email for something like 15 years. In all that time, I have had less trouble than any other site. For example, using gmail as an evaluation has caused me more grief in a short space of time than yahoo mail over it's life time.

Like much of this sort of thing, I think its brand hating for the hates's sake.

I have never "liked" yahoo or been a "fan", but I know I use it, I know it works, and I know it has been grief free. It just works.

Re: Yahoo's Fight for its Users Earns the Company Special Recognition by EFF

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The complete tally for different companies is here: https://www.eff.org/who-has-your-back-2013

I suppose the big empty space on the right is where "Respects users' privacy in their own business practices" should be. But of course this is only about the Big Bad Government. It's an interesting cultural difference how privacy suddenly becomes in issue in the US now that it's about the government, and totally fine when people were being tracked an profiled for profit.

You're [dead], create a new account. I don't know why you're banned, your comments are mostly pertinent and not boring. Maybe the admins don't like Europeans ^^.
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