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FB event to walk to NSA's Dagger Complex results in a visit by the German police

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Re: FB event to walk to NSA's Dagger Complex results in a visit by the German police

#11
Not that this justifies what happened at all, but:

"Bangert, a veteran of the Blockupy protests in Frankfurt, had set up a group calling itself "NSA spy protection league" (NSA Spion Schutzbund), as if the US spies were an endangered species of birds"

Would it be more reasonable to think that this individual was probably already being monitored as part of his Blockupy, and perhaps the German government was the one watching him more than the NSA was?

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#12

Well...at least the German authorities were civilized about it. Not so sure our authorities (in the US) would have the same reaction.

Is that really the point it's gotten to? "At least they didn't kill me for trying to protect my rights".

Re: FB event to walk to NSA's Dagger Complex results in a visit by the German police

#13
With all the talk of spying and monitoring citizens' whereabouts via license plate scans -- can anybody setup a camera to take snapshots of license plates of cars entering & leaving NSA & other such installations, and cross-reference these against license records?

Re: FB event to walk to NSA's Dagger Complex results in a visit by the German police

#14
post #13

With all the talk of spying and monitoring citizens' whereabouts via license plate scans -- can anybody setup a camera to take snapshots of license plates of cars entering & leaving NSA & other such installations, and cross-reference these against license records?

A few years ago at Defcon someone rigged up a Twitter scraper, and found all the tweets that geolocated to the massive NSA headquarters parking lot. That said, it's not clear to me that it's legal to actively attempt to "out" NSA employees.

Re: FB event to walk to NSA's Dagger Complex results in a visit by the German police

#15

What I don't understand is why the Germans allow the US to setup a base that spies on them. According to the Spiegel the base was setup without local approval. Also also locals have been concerned for a long time because of possible radiation from the large antennas but for what ever reason the local government cant even inquire about it. Imagine a German military base in the middle of the US that has who knows what…

There's a similar base in the UK at Menwith Hill. They don't welcome visitors as such, but activist/comedian Mark Thomas discovered that due to a quirk in a law, it was legal to fly a hot air balloon over it.

So that's what he did:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBksQsAZ2hQ (short version)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epWTJUajIdI (full episode)

Re: FB event to walk to NSA's Dagger Complex results in a visit by the German police

#16

What I don't understand is why the Germans allow the US to setup a base that spies on them. According to the Spiegel the base was setup without local approval. Also also locals have been concerned for a long time because of possible radiation from the large antennas but for what ever reason the local government cant even inquire about it. Imagine a German military base in the middle of the US that has who knows what…

Ever wondered what many embassies contain? There were serious health concerns about staff in the British Embassy in Moscow during the Cold War from all the stuff the Soviets were throwing at the building trying to work out what the occupants were up to.

Ever wondered what that odd superstructure box on a visiting warship parked in your local naval base had inside it?

Ever wondered why Britain was so keen to hang onto random colonial possessions and the Cyprus base areas? And why other Western countries didn't mind?

Re: FB event to walk to NSA's Dagger Complex results in a visit by the German police

#17
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Germany doesn't "allow" US bases. They were forced to have them after World War II: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Air_Force_in_Germ... [update: removed speculation about german taxpayer covering the bill]

Also keep in mind these bases pump a TON of money back into the local economy: http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/06/30/12482964-bye-b... "City officials in Heidelberg expect annual financial losses of up to $25 million, as a result of the closures of U.S. bases in the region." "We estimate that a total of about 1,000 civilian jobs will be lost, when the nearly 8,000 service members pull out," said Diana Scharl,…

There's at least one person like you in every one of these threads, propagating the idea that money or economics makes injustice okay.

Re: FB event to walk to NSA's Dagger Complex results in a visit by the German police

#18
post #14
post #13

With all the talk of spying and monitoring citizens' whereabouts via license plate scans -- can anybody setup a camera to take snapshots of license plates of cars entering & leaving NSA & other such installations, and cross-reference these against license records?

A few years ago at Defcon someone rigged up a Twitter scraper, and found all the tweets that geolocated to the massive NSA headquarters parking lot. That said, it's not clear to me that it's legal to actively attempt to "out" NSA employees.

Regardless of its legality, I'm sure the spooks would find an excuse to come shake you down.

Re: FB event to walk to NSA's Dagger Complex results in a visit by the German police

#19
post #16

What I don't understand is why the Germans allow the US to setup a base that spies on them. According to the Spiegel the base was setup without local approval. Also also locals have been concerned for a long time because of possible radiation from the large antennas but for what ever reason the local government cant even inquire about it. Imagine a German military base in the middle of the US that has who knows what…

Ever wondered what many embassies contain? There were serious health concerns about staff in the British Embassy in Moscow during the Cold War from all the stuff the Soviets were throwing at the building trying to work out what the occupants were up to. Ever wondered what that odd superstructure box on a visiting warship parked in your local naval base had inside it? Ever wondered why Britain was so keen to hang onto…

Ever wonder what it would be like to say what you mean?

Re: FB event to walk to NSA's Dagger Complex results in a visit by the German police

#20
post #14
post #13

With all the talk of spying and monitoring citizens' whereabouts via license plate scans -- can anybody setup a camera to take snapshots of license plates of cars entering & leaving NSA & other such installations, and cross-reference these against license records?

A few years ago at Defcon someone rigged up a Twitter scraper, and found all the tweets that geolocated to the massive NSA headquarters parking lot. That said, it's not clear to me that it's legal to actively attempt to "out" NSA employees.

I tried finding more about the Twitter scraper, but didn't find anything. Could you provide a link? I think I'd get a good chuckle from it.
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