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Re: Elon Musk to publish hyperloop design by August

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Classy! https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/356779314043305985 "I really hate patents unless critical to company survival. Will publish Hyperloop as open source."

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This is an interesting point of view.

What I gathered from this is that the magnitude of this project is BIG. This will mean that it will involve more than one entity to participate and hence the need to keep it open.

Re: Elon Musk to publish hyperloop design by August

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "I really hate patents unless critical to company survival" Isn't "critical to company survival" the same defensive argument that every patent holder uses?

In this case he has promised: "Will publish Hyperloop as open source." I didn't see a catch here. In the same context, SpaceX have not applied for many patents when compared to the work they are doing. However in this case the prime motive could be keep the tech secret.

Elon Musk is the only man alive who could promise the moon and make me want to believe that he means it. I hope he follows through, I want to believe that he will, and I have no reason to doubt; if anyone will do it, it will be him. Open source FTW.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "I really hate patents unless critical to company survival" Isn't "critical to company survival" the same defensive argument that every patent holder uses?

SpaceX don't patent anything because they thought the Chinese would steal their technologies using the patents itself. It's a different story for Tesla Motors, though.

I think there is more "secret sauce" in Tesla than in SpaceX. SpaceX is doing great implementations of pretty conservative designs. In any case, both are "product" companies and benefit from patents less than "design" companies. Contrast SpaceX with Mojave Aerospace Ventures (the investment vehicle that owns the Spaceship One IP developed by Scaled Composites).

Re: Elon Musk to publish hyperloop design by August

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If this is, as it sounds, a new public transport system, it surprises me a little that he would prefer to develop it in the US.

Attitudes towards public transport in general seem more favourable in the EU, Japan, China and South Korea.

Perhaps I'm missing something, but I imagine getting such a system built in the EU (for example) would be easier than the US. Then again, Musk has been building a reputation with law-makers in the US for some time, so that might count for a lot.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

SpaceX don't patent anything because they thought the Chinese would steal their technologies using the patents itself. It's a different story for Tesla Motors, though.

I think there is more "secret sauce" in Tesla than in SpaceX. SpaceX is doing great implementations of pretty conservative designs. In any case, both are "product" companies and benefit from patents less than "design" companies. Contrast SpaceX with Mojave Aerospace Ventures (the investment vehicle that owns the Spaceship One IP developed by Scaled Composites).

> SpaceX is doing great implementations of pretty conservative designs.

Mostly. So far. But very quickly SpaceX will start building things that have never been built before, and I would assume small teams are already working on the designs. Ships like human-rated Mars landers, colony buildings, fuel-creating reactors for Mars, etc.

Re: Elon Musk to publish hyperloop design by August

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Classy! https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/356779314043305985 "I really hate patents unless critical to company survival. Will publish Hyperloop as open source."

It is classy and awesome, but don't forget that he can afford to be classy and awesome. (Everyone knows he's the inventor, and he's got the people and capital to make it happen before anyone else... not that that is necessarily his goal.)

Can't wait to see it.

Re: Elon Musk to publish hyperloop design by August

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

SpaceX don't patent anything because they thought the Chinese would steal their technologies using the patents itself. It's a different story for Tesla Motors, though.

I think there is more "secret sauce" in Tesla than in SpaceX. SpaceX is doing great implementations of pretty conservative designs. In any case, both are "product" companies and benefit from patents less than "design" companies. Contrast SpaceX with Mojave Aerospace Ventures (the investment vehicle that owns the Spaceship One IP developed by Scaled Composites).

> SpaceX is doing great implementations of pretty conservative designs.

Like the other reply mentioned, they are certainly working on some technologies that are starkly less conservative. One example is the Grasshopper [1], a reusable first stage that is capable of returning to the launchpad under controlled burn.

[1] Here's the most recent 325m test: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGimzB5QM1M

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