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Enough with the JavaScript already
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Re: Enough with the JavaScript already
#42What I don't get is the sites that load ALL their content using JavaScript. Sure, I see the point in loading more content if the user scrolls down to the bottom of the page, but why would you do that straight away?
Re: Enough with the JavaScript already
#43All the includes are insane as well. Run Noscript or any other JS blocker and visit a few big sites and you'll see that you end up running JS from half the Internet. I'm joking of course, but some sites have dozens of includes from other sites, advertisers, CDNs, etc.
I installed Ghostery but did not set up any filters; with just that, it shows how much external resources / from which external parties things are loaded. Some sites have like twenty external dependencies, and multiple analytics gathering scripts (which may get embedded via the iframes of advertisers).
Re: Enough with the JavaScript already
#44Enough with the no-context-attached slides already.
Seriously, if you don't have a recording of the talk, or a transcript, at least provide an article or something.
Re: Enough with the JavaScript already
#45Airbnb's Rendr seemed to be a nice solution to this problem
Re: Enough with the JavaScript already
#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
Dart ( http://www.dartlang.org ) is a attempt by Google. Of course, probably no browser except Chrome (and Opera?) will ever have the Dart VM built-in, but Dart also compiles to javascript for those other browsers.
An issue with Dart is it does not support IE 8. IE 8 still ships with Windows 7 and it is quite popular. It's not reasonable to throw away all IE 8 traffic just to get Dart's features.
Does Dart support Chrome version 2 [0] or Firefox 3.0.8[1]? Since IE8 stems from that age, March 2009[2]
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Chrome#Release_history [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefox_release_history [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Explorer_8
It's not reasonable to support an outdated browser version with an inferior Javascript engine, or to single out Internet Explorer as a browser for which older versions should still be supported, imho.
(disclaimer: I'm building a webapp that has to work in IE 8)
Re: Enough with the JavaScript already
#47JavaScript is a tool. Once it becomes trendy idiots will always abuse a tool. It's not JavaScript's fault people are bad at web design and development. If it wasn't fucked up JavaScript these people were contacting you about it'd be something else, be glad you have a job.
It does not however, preclude the possibility that the tool is in fact a bad tool, and that the tool is bizarrely the only tool we have.
They say poorly skilled people blame their tools, and that highly skilled people who know their tools well, will know how to use it well. That being said, see that circular saw over there that will occasionally bounce and cut off its user's fingers? I'm not gonna use it, no matter how skilled I am.
I for one am hoping for a replacement for JS (that isn't Dart, which feels like JS Patched). I have more than just a hairy experience with JS lately.
Re: Enough with the JavaScript already
#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
Absolutely. Write in whatever language you like, compile to asm.js - that way you're running in the browser, at about half native speed.
Asm.js is not an alternative to JavaScript, though. It is JavaScript, just a really mangled and ugly subset of it. cliveowen was clearly talking about "an alternative to Javascript" and "not [...] those things that eventually get translated to Javascript". Anything targeting Asm.js is merely targeting JavaScript. The "half native speed" claim is quite dubious, at best. Even if it were realistic, that's still quite a…
Talk about JavaScript being replaced wholesale should be regarded as therapy. Therapy to dull the realisation that JavaScript is now immortal because it gained such massive reach and entrenchment. It's the web counterpart to C the immortal.
Re: Enough with the JavaScript already
#49JavaScript is a tool. Once it becomes trendy idiots will always abuse a tool. It's not JavaScript's fault people are bad at web design and development. If it wasn't fucked up JavaScript these people were contacting you about it'd be something else, be glad you have a job.
It does not however, preclude the possibility that the tool is in fact a bad tool, and that the tool is bizarrely the only tool we have. They say poorly skilled people blame their tools, and that highly skilled people who know their tools well, will know how to use it well. That being said, see that circular saw over there that will occasionally bounce and cut off its user's fingers? I'm not gonna use it, no matter h…
People don't use javascript because it's a beautiful, well thought out language. They use it because it runs everywhere.
Re: Enough with the JavaScript already
#50JavaScript is a tool. Once it becomes trendy idiots will always abuse a tool. It's not JavaScript's fault people are bad at web design and development. If it wasn't fucked up JavaScript these people were contacting you about it'd be something else, be glad you have a job.
It does not however, preclude the possibility that the tool is in fact a bad tool, and that the tool is bizarrely the only tool we have. They say poorly skilled people blame their tools, and that highly skilled people who know their tools well, will know how to use it well. That being said, see that circular saw over there that will occasionally bounce and cut off its user's fingers? I'm not gonna use it, no matter h…
Yeah JavaScript has problems, so do all programming languages. JS has some particularly egregious ones, but the abuses and problems the slide complains about are not a symptom of a defect with JavaScript. They would be the same problems with any other language being used by incompetents.