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Re: Show HN: Minified.js – a fully-featured, 4K alternative to jQuery and MooTools

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Post by tjansen »

gioele wrote: post #58

I see a licensing problem. Releasing thing into the public domain is not as easy as writing "Minified has been released into the Public Domain. You can use, copy, distribute and modify Minified without any copyright restrictions. You may even release it under your name and call it yours, if that's your thing." As the CC0 page explains [1]: > a waiver may not be effective in most jurisdictions > Dedicating works to th…

I have CC0 on the download page, but yes, I should also add this to the source code. Thanks.

Re: Show HN: Minified.js – a fully-featured, 4K alternative to jQuery and MooTools

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Post by toble »

eps wrote: post #31
toble wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just a passing tinfoil comment... Google has so many fingers in the analytics pie, if you're not being recorded by Adsense or Analytics, then there's always CDN. No idea if it's all linked up, but it means that using alternative search engines doesn't really matter if you still visit Google-enhanced destinations.

Of course it's all linked up, including other freebies such as Google Fonts. Why else would they be offering it for free.

If that's the case then maybe it would be better for society if we all started self hosted these sorts of resources. Longer load times, more bandwidth usage but better privacy for the public.

Re: Show HN: Minified.js – a fully-featured, 4K alternative to jQuery and MooTools

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Post by SkyMarshal »

Alex3917 wrote: post #26

This is interesting, but what percentage of the time spent downloading jQuery is actually transferring the file? I would imagine that jQuery is already small enough that the majority of the time is spent just establishing the server connection.

Most browsers probably have all versions of it cached by now too.

Re: Show HN: Minified.js – a fully-featured, 4K alternative to jQuery and MooTools

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Post by eps »

andybak wrote: post #51
shocks wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're not paying for it then you are the product.

Or you're walking into an exchange of value with your eyes fully open.

And also dragging every visitor of your website along.

Re: Show HN: Minified.js – a fully-featured, 4K alternative to jQuery and MooTools

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Post by ctoestreich »

Just on the surface the potential for the minified library with its reduced size and browser support sounds great. In just checking a few features it seems as though the performance doesn't line up with jquery atm. In a large application space would I rather trade off js performance for saving initial DL time (cache)? I start to wonder where diminishing returns set in, if I should I really care about IE6 anymore or if the clean and simple API you say won't change will in fact never change.

http://jsperf.com/test-jquery-vs-minified

And to the community at large, feel free to add more tests.

Re: Show HN: Minified.js – a fully-featured, 4K alternative to jQuery and MooTools

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Post by tjansen »

ctoestreich wrote: post #65

Just on the surface the potential for the minified library with its reduced size and browser support sounds great. In just checking a few features it seems as though the performance doesn't line up with jquery atm. In a large application space would I rather trade off js performance for saving initial DL time (cache)? I start to wonder where diminishing returns set in, if I should I really care about IE6 anymore or i…

That's cool, thank you (even if the results don't look so good, but it's not that surprising).

Re: Show HN: Minified.js – a fully-featured, 4K alternative to jQuery and MooTools

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Post by Wintamute »

The full, concatenated and uglified source of one-page JS web apps can easily run to >600kB. Whether my DOM manipulation library consumes 4kB of that or 35kB isn't especially important to me. I'm more concerned about features, cross browser support and familiarity other developers may, or may not have, with the API. I'll be happy to check this lib out though, the API and docs look nicely put together.

Re: Show HN: Minified.js – a fully-featured, 4K alternative to jQuery and MooTools

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Post by microcolonel »

ctoestreich wrote: post #65

Just on the surface the potential for the minified library with its reduced size and browser support sounds great. In just checking a few features it seems as though the performance doesn't line up with jquery atm. In a large application space would I rather trade off js performance for saving initial DL time (cache)? I start to wonder where diminishing returns set in, if I should I really care about IE6 anymore or i…

Why use the .val() method with the jQuery test, but .text() for the minified test?

Re: Show HN: Minified.js – a fully-featured, 4K alternative to jQuery and MooTools

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Post by graue »

SkyMarshal wrote: post #63
Alex3917 wrote: post #26

This is interesting, but what percentage of the time spent downloading jQuery is actually transferring the file? I would imagine that jQuery is already small enough that the majority of the time is spent just establishing the server connection.

Most browsers probably have all versions of it cached by now too.

Test this, you might be surprised. I strongly doubt it, because there are so many versions in use, and as of 2012 only 25% of jQuery sites even used Google CDN, by far the most popular CDN — most hosted it elsewhere. http://royal.pingdom.com/2012/06/20/jquery-numbers/

I have vague memories of reading a post with a stronger conclusion — that CDN caching was basically a non-issue, it would so rarely work — but to my frustration I can't find that right now.

Re: Show HN: Minified.js – a fully-featured, 4K alternative to jQuery and MooTools

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Post by przemoc »

I see:

   tml xmlns:fn="http://www.w3.org/2005/xpath-functions" xmlns:xs="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema" xmlns:page="http://tjansen.de/minifiedPage" xmlns:i="http://tjansen.de/internal" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
at the top of the page. Apparently the minification went too far. :)
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