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"Ender's Game" movie faces a boycott

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Re: "Ender's Game" movie faces a boycott

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Post by pron »

EnderMB wrote: post #99
pron wrote: post #93

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Of course you can enjoy his work, but that is a political statement, like almost everything else you do. If you think his views are abhorrent and unwelcome in the society you wish to build, you may have the moral obligation to make a statement to that effect by boycotting his work. If a racist serves you a sandwich and you find racism unacceptable in society, then rejecting the sandwich is a political action saying t…

Why is it a political statement, and why should this affect how I enjoy his work? As I mentioned above, it doesn't stop people enjoying Roald Dahl's work, either because they don't know of his views or feel that his views are irrelevant to one of the countless millions of replica products they own that is attributed to his work. I'm not trying to be purposely argumentative. I just cannot see why I should view it as a…

Almost everything you do is a political statement. If you don't accept that, that's a political statement in itself. Feeling that someone's beliefs are irrelevant to their work is certainly a political statement. I mean, let's take it to the extreme: suppose an artist brutally murdered your entire family. Would you still be able to enjoy his work? Would you think that his actions are irrelevant? If you think that someone's beliefs and political views are irrelevant to their work, it simply means that they simply don't mean so much to you. That is a political statement.

Also, Roald Dahl is dead, and was, in his life, a quirky writer. Card, according to Wikipedia, is a political activist. An action against him would be quite effective, and meaningful.

Re: "Ender's Game" movie faces a boycott

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Post by rtpg »

whiddershins wrote: post #45

I have talked to pop stars who say their handlers "don't let them" say anything political at all, for fear of exactly this sort of thing. It actually lowers the level of political discourse to punish people for expressing their views. And anyway, come on. Ender's game is one of the greatest science fiction books of all time. Lots of creative people hold and express unpopular views. Often those views change, over the…

>It actually lowers the level of political discourse to punish people for expressing their views.

it's not punishing people for expressing their views, it's punishing people for their views. Allowing evolution deniers the stage to talk lowers the level of political discourse.

Re: "Ender's Game" movie faces a boycott

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Post by EnderMB »

clhodapp wrote: post #58
EnderMB wrote: post #16

It seems like a terrible thing to do to the hundreds of potentially nice people that worked hard on this movie. People will boycott this because of peer pressure, and to follow the crowd. People don't boycott the countless movies based on Roald Dahl books, even though it's very common knowledge that he held strong anti-semitic views. Yes, I think his views are terrible, but that's not going to stop me enjoying his wo…

Most of those 'nice people' will not be affected by this, given that they were paid a flat salary or wage for their work.

Yet a number of users on here are slating those that choose to work with known homophobes. Does this not affect them?

Re: "Ender's Game" movie faces a boycott

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Post by theorique »

arethuza wrote: post #14
theorique wrote: post #6

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You can't self-righteously BitTorrent oil, so I would say probably not. (On the other hand, American natural gas and Canadian tar sands may break us free from dependence on the Saudis and their deplorable political and social system.)

I just finished a rather excellent (if slightly depressing) book on the links between the US government and Saudi Arabia that suggests those links are rather deeper than you might suspect: http://www.amazon.com/Sleeping-Devil-Washington-Saudi-Crude/... [NB: From what I can tell the author, Bob Baer, is fairly credible - he is a former CIA field officer with a lot of experience in the Middle East.]

Thanks, I will check it out!

Re: "Ender's Game" movie faces a boycott

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Post by alinajaf »

_b8r0 wrote: post #88
anu_gupta wrote: post #22

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> one of the greatest living science fiction authors Oh please. Ender's Game is a classic. The rest of his work is worse, and the recent Shadow stuff is execrable.

Rather than argue about whether or not he's one of (not the top one) the best living sci-fi authors, how about you post some sci-fi authors that are better than or as good as him? The only criteria is: They must be primarily known for sci-fi They must be alive today That way everyone on HN can benefit. I'll start with: * William Gibson * Ursula K. LeGuin * Charlie Stross * Margaret Atwood Anyone else care to add to t…

I envy you because you've yet to discover Greg Egan. You'll want Axiomatic, Permutation City and Diaspora, in that order.

Re: "Ender's Game" movie faces a boycott

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Post by JoeAltmaier »

mercurial wrote: post #52
JoeAltmaier wrote: post #46

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That rant is so tired, so inconsistent, so laced with hate-speech, its become wearisome to respond to its ilk. Let me just say, lots of older couples, infertile couples, 'normal' couples get married never intending to have children, even in your own religion, that that fundamental argument is silly. Why do you keep making it? You come off sounding desperate, defensive, selfish. You make sex sound mechanical, imperson…

No need to feed the troll.

Sorry.

Re: "Ender's Game" movie faces a boycott

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Post by beedogs »

ukoto wrote: post #68
beedogs wrote: post #53

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Pathetic that these kinds of accounts are showing up even on HN.

Are you living in a cave? The opinions that I am espousing are fully supported by huge modern nations such as Russia. I just gave you a link showing the government's unanimous support of bills banning gay propaganda. So why do you assume I'm a troll? Does it shatter your fragile world view to realize many intelligent and sane individuals are against gay marriage, so you have to imagine me as a joke? That's what this…

I do not tolerate hatred, or the opinions of those who are hateful. The discussion ends here.
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