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I understood gender discrimination once I added “Mr.” to my resume

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Re: I understood gender discrimination once I added “Mr.” to my resume

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That's really, really sad. And the worst part is, it's surely conscious on nobody's part. There have even been studies showing this effect. What's even sadder is that there's no obvious or easy way to fix it.

It's conscious on a lot of people's parts. I've also heard "no women, no sexual harassment suits" enough from people in tech to assume that there are a lot of bigots not dumb enough to admit it out loud. I could be going too far, though. Maybe the kind of dumb lockerroom overshare bluster amongst the employees and managers of sexually harassing companies and departments lends itself to admitting incriminating things…

I would not call it bigotry, but rather stupidity. They are not the first people ever thinking the idea of separating female and men, or suggested that some benefits can be achieved that way.

Schools like to separate girls from boys, and points towards improved and safer environment. Conferences like to create women only sections, in the idea (with some irony) that it would improve gender equality, and like schools, make a better environment for teaching out technology.

I call it stupid because it fail some basic common sense. A mixed classroom, work space, or conference room is better because it increase cooperation, make society better, and switch the focus on the individual skill level rather than their sex. Schools have almost gone through this stage and fully gone over to mixed classrooms. The work space is learning the same lesson, but slower. As to conferences, I can only assume that they are looking at the workplace and fail to connect the dots.

Re: I understood gender discrimination once I added “Mr.” to my resume

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> My fiancé is an excellent engineer so I might have had the male dominated field bias squashed by that. I don't understand. Are you a gay male? How does that change your perception of the male dominated field bias?

Sorry, poorly phrased sentence. What I meant was, where some of my friends see engineering as a male only field (ie. women can't do the job type opinion) I don't, this could be in part because my female fiancé is an excellent engineer who is head and shoulder above some of her male and female counter parts in knowledge and skills.

FWIW, even in English, a woman who you're engaged to is normally referred to as a "fiancée", whereas a man you're engaged to would be a "fiancé".

Similarly with né and née, for people who have changed their names.

Re: I understood gender discrimination once I added “Mr.” to my resume

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>It is true the author became aware or more aware of gender discrimination because of his name, but he still doesn't have the experience of living in a society where gender discrimination is a daily occurrence. All genders face gender discrimination. For example, the country I live in is a Nordic country often hailed for equality, but the state forces all men to do slave-labour for the government. Men and women face…

Interesting fact: majority of rape victims in USA are male. This has been addressed a couple of times. Note that 1) the 216,000 number is for victims of "sexual abuse" which doesn't necessarily mean "rape" and 2) not all inmates of penitentiaries are male.

That is because official statistics use penetration as the definition of rape. "Forced envelopment" (women raping men) is not counted as rape.

Re: I understood gender discrimination once I added “Mr.” to my resume

#124

That's really, really sad. And the worst part is, it's surely conscious on nobody's part. There have even been studies showing this effect. What's even sadder is that there's no obvious or easy way to fix it.

Want to see this in action? Create near-identical profiles on any job site frequented by recruiters, one profile male and another female. Your male account, fictional or not, will get a measurable amount more attention and see more outreach.

I was part of a research team (class project; never published) that did something like this about a dozen years ago.

We were specifically looking at hiring-related gender bias among different education levels. Our study showed non-statistically significant bias among those without a bachelor's degree, and statistically significant at a moderate correlation level among bachelor's degree holders. The worst were the subjects with graduate degrees; not only was it a strong relationship at a statistically significant level, it was as extreme as our methodology could detect. And it went both ways (e.g., a female identified applicant wouldn't be considered for a mechanic position, but a male identified applicant wouldn't be considered for a nursing position either).

Respondents weren't supposed to put specific information on their responses, but one prominent individual did. Our curiosity got the best of us, so after we input and calculated our metrics, we looked at the identifiable subject's responses. This individual was in charge of EEO and non-discrimination policies at a research 1 institution, and she was the most gender discriminatory individual in the study!!!

Re: I understood gender discrimination once I added “Mr.” to my resume

#125

I am female with a hybrid background in UI design and front-end dev. A while back I created a fake linkedin profile identical to mine except with a male name. Even though it has no profile picture and no contacts, the fake profile gets more recruiter messages than I do, and for more technical positions (I get ones for design, he gets ones for engineering).

That is incredibly depressing. Have you followed up to see if they reacted differently when they found out you were not a man?

Re: I understood gender discrimination once I added “Mr.” to my resume

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The fact that this post is getting so much attention is baffling me. There is literally nothing in this story to indicate that the name made any difference. It's blatant confirmation bias. Nothing more. Allow me to state, once again, there is absolutely no denying that sexism exists and that it's an issue that needs to (and eventually will) change however this article adds absolutely nothing new to the debate.

He didn't provide empirical evidence because there are already resources for that. This is a personal anecdote and is being shared because personal anecdotes are effective in making people think in ways that many won't be moved to by statistics.

It's not news and it's not providing any objective data, but that doesn't mean it's devoid of value.

Re: I understood gender discrimination once I added “Mr.” to my resume

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> Happily married and all of that but men are visual What does that even mean?

It's like saying "I just bought a car and I"m happy with it but I still like to look at other cars at the car show or in the showroom because it makes me feel good".

Do you understand that unsolicited comments on someone's appearance are not ok?

Re: I understood gender discrimination once I added “Mr.” to my resume

#128
Okay HN, I knew this sounded familiar and then i remembered a similar story which was flagged and kicked off the front page. http://www.techyville.com/2012/11/news/unemployed-black-woma...

Could someone explain why one was flagged and the other not? I am honestly just curious.

Re: I understood gender discrimination once I added “Mr.” to my resume

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There was a proposal going around the Lib Dems in the UK at one point[1] to make it illegal to have names on CVs; because they describe gender, and sometimes race, too. The proposal went on to say that that people should apply for jobs using their National Insurance number (like a social security number, but basically just used as a UID with the tax office - I don't know what else a SSN does, but it seems to be more…

The first 3 digits of a SSN indicate where the child was born. While not as prejudicial an aspect, there are definitely some geographical biases among some groups.

Just a fun fact, this stopped being true as of June 25, 2011: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Security_number#Structu...

But since there probably aren't many two-year-olds applying for jobs nowadays the comment is still relevant.

Re: I understood gender discrimination once I added “Mr.” to my resume

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post #38

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>It is true the author became aware or more aware of gender discrimination because of his name, but he still doesn't have the experience of living in a society where gender discrimination is a daily occurrence. All genders face gender discrimination. For example, the country I live in is a Nordic country often hailed for equality, but the state forces all men to do slave-labour for the government. Men and women face…

> All genders face gender discrimination. This is true, but it should be noted that gender discrimination is fundamentally related to patriarchy and misogyny. > For example, the country I live in is a Nordic country often hailed for equality, but the state forces all men to do slave-labour for the government. I don't know anything about this so I can't really comment. > Men and women face about the same amount of gen…

>This is true, but it should be noted that gender discrimination is fundamentally related to patriarchy and misogyny.

Making faith based statements like that and acting as though they are evidence based is not productive. There is no evidence to support feminist mythology surrounding their redefinition of patriarchy.

>In the US lack of "father's rights" is a red herring.

No it is not. A system that was equal would begin with shared custody as the default, and a case would need to be made to remove either parent's custody based on their being unfit. A system where men are required to spend considerable time and money fighting to get less custody than women get by default is not equal. The reason men have high success in getting custody when they pursue it is because they almost exclusively pursue it in cases where there is substantial evidence that the mother is grossly unfit. Have a man talk to a custody lawyer while you listen in. They will universally tell you not to bother pursuing custody unless you have proof the mother is an addict or has allowed another man to assault the children frequently. Using selection bias to dismiss valid concerns makes it appear as though you have a vested interest in maintaining inequality.

>This because the rates of rape for men overwhelmingly come from prisons and being incarcerated.

And those don't count because of what?

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