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I understood gender discrimination once I added “Mr.” to my resume

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Re: I understood gender discrimination once I added “Mr.” to my resume

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I am graduating in a few month and also applied for some jobs in the USA (I'm from germany). I found it somewhat intresting that every employer I sent my resume to was asking what gender and race(!) I was before I could submit. You could also choose the option not to give an answer, but I have never seen that in germany.

On the other hand some people on HN find it odd to have a picture of you on your CV - which is the norm here.

Re: I understood gender discrimination once I added “Mr.” to my resume

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He's stating fact. The HR industry is absolutely dominated by females. That's not a matter of opinion.

woosh

If one notes that a joke is fact, it does not imply they didn't understand the joke.

Re: I understood gender discrimination once I added “Mr.” to my resume

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There is a simple way to fix it. Namely providing a means to submit your resume that anonymizes name, gender, age and anything that could bias the reviewer's assessment. The best HR departments already do that, at least that's the hope.

There was a proposal going around the Lib Dems in the UK at one point[1] to make it illegal to have names on CVs; because they describe gender, and sometimes race, too. The proposal went on to say that that people should apply for jobs using their National Insurance number (like a social security number, but basically just used as a UID with the tax office - I don't know what else a SSN does, but it seems to be more…

The first 3 digits of a SSN indicate where the child was born. While not as prejudicial an aspect, there are definitely some geographical biases among some groups.

Re: I understood gender discrimination once I added “Mr.” to my resume

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It's not supposed to be data. It's supposed to change your perspective on the data you have.

The first third of the story leads with all this talk about how he had all the qualifications and shouldn't have any trouble finding a job. Then a couple paragraphs about how hard it was to find, and how this was so surprising. Then a couple of paragraphs on how "Kim" could be assumed female. And then a complete turn around when he added "Mr". This was supposed to be data, in the sense that it was supposed to provide…

The article gives you a mental tool that you can apply as you like to various situations that you encounter. It's like learning a type of logical fallacy. You wouldn't disregard an article that described what a "false dilemma" is as "having no data".

Re: I understood gender discrimination once I added “Mr.” to my resume

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The fact that this post is getting so much attention is baffling me. There is literally nothing in this story to indicate that the name made any difference. It's blatant confirmation bias. Nothing more. Allow me to state, once again, there is absolutely no denying that sexism exists and that it's an issue that needs to (and eventually will) change however this article adds absolutely nothing new to the debate.

When it comes to sexual bias, hacker news readers/commenters generally discard the "evidence" bit. And of course, nobody mentions the author's obvious anti-male and age bias ("but when I viewed it through the skewed view of middle-aged men who thought I was a woman").

Re: I understood gender discrimination once I added “Mr.” to my resume

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> What's even sadder is that there's no obvious or easy way to fix it. There is no easy way to fix it, but there is a way to fix it. I won't go so far as to say that it's obvious to many people. The way to do it? Work to change men's attitudes and biases towards women. It can definitely be done, but it takes hard work and cultural change. I would recommend the book "The Macho Paradox" by Jackson Katz for anyone inter…

Why you need to change MEN attitudes? Most HR departments are staffed by women for example, they would be the ones that saw a "Mr." in the resume.

Female bosses discriminate worse against women than male bosses. The causes to this is debated, through if we want a change, we do indeed need to change people rather than men.

Re: I understood gender discrimination once I added “Mr.” to my resume

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woosh

If one notes that a joke is fact, it does not imply they didn't understand the joke.

It does imply they didn't understand the joke.

It does not mean that the implication is true.

Re: I understood gender discrimination once I added “Mr.” to my resume

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Why you need to change MEN attitudes? Most HR departments are staffed by women for example, they would be the ones that saw a "Mr." in the resume.

> Most HR departments are staffed by women for example Do you see the irony in this statement?

What, that women often discriminate against women? That's ironic but also true. Or maybe that men discriminate against HR departments... not sure that's true but at least it's funny :)

Re: I understood gender discrimination once I added “Mr.” to my resume

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That's really, really sad. And the worst part is, it's surely conscious on nobody's part. There have even been studies showing this effect. What's even sadder is that there's no obvious or easy way to fix it.

> And the worst part is, it's surely conscious on nobody's part. There have even been studies showing this effect.

There are studies showing that the unconscious effect exists. But it's definitely conscious at times.

I know a few people in HR in Silicon Valley, and here are a few things they've heard from actual hiring managers:

"You don't have any kids? Great, we can work you harder!"

"If he had to reschedule the phone interview because his kid is sick, I don't want to move forward hiring him. He obviously has his priorities wrong."

"I don't know, she's at just about the age most women get pregnant. Don't we have a guy we could interview?"

:-(

Re: I understood gender discrimination once I added “Mr.” to my resume

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Why did you post this?

Seriously, have a think about it. That comment might be smarter than it first appears.

Could you elaborate, I'm failing to read between the lines.
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