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Re: The biggest issue facing America

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I just finished "In Defense of Food." Michael Pollan makes a pretty good case that the health care issue is driven by processed food - causing obesity, type 2 diabetes, high blood pressure and cancer. Essentially if americans ate less processed food (and less food overall), there wouldn't be a healthcare issue.

Re: The biggest issue facing America

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This might actually be a problem that politics just fails monumentally as a tool for fixing. Like trying to repair an MG with a herring. There will come a time when technology will make it possible to keep someone alive indefinitely so long as you spend exponentially more money to do so. Everyone has been conditioned to think that they deserve the best healthcare regardless of what choices they've made in their lives…

> The only option is rationing

This would be less of a problem if physicians weren't part of a guild that artificially reduces supply.

Re: The biggest issue facing America

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This might actually be a problem that politics just fails monumentally as a tool for fixing. Like trying to repair an MG with a herring. There will come a time when technology will make it possible to keep someone alive indefinitely so long as you spend exponentially more money to do so. Everyone has been conditioned to think that they deserve the best healthcare regardless of what choices they've made in their lives…

Can we discuss health care without the science fiction and doomsday scenarios?

I realize that the USA is used to looking inward for solutions, but other governments are solving these problems, better, today.

Every discussion I have with Americans about healthcare leads directly to these imagined totalitarian futures, as if "everybody" knew that this was what happens. I don't understand it. Where did you all learn this narrative? Was there some nursery rhyme about the evils of socialized medicine?

Re: The biggest issue facing America

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This might actually be a problem that politics just fails monumentally as a tool for fixing. Like trying to repair an MG with a herring. There will come a time when technology will make it possible to keep someone alive indefinitely so long as you spend exponentially more money to do so. Everyone has been conditioned to think that they deserve the best healthcare regardless of what choices they've made in their lives…

As I see it the major problems of our current healthcare regime have very little to do with radical life extension and any perceived unfairness in end-of-life care.

The major problem is that we are in the hands of a criminal syndicate that is structured around extracting money from people when they are at their most weak, vulnerable and uncertain. That this criminal syndicate, which spans the health insurance, legal and financial industries and for which health care is merely the bordello on which the operations cash flow depends; is regarded as a legitimate business is merely one symptom of how corrupt our society really is.

There is an entire industry devoted to extorting money from people under the threat of illness and death. And yet those who run it are considered fine upstanding members of society; always good for a donation to a good cause.

If you go looking it's not too hard to find instances of people who paid in to health insurance for decades, only to be stripped of their coverage when they became ill.

Tying it to jobs makes it even worse, if you know you need medical coverage, you basically can't leave your job; even if it's to start a company that would produce much more value for society than the job left behind.

As it stands now, on average Americans spend twice as much and get worse health outcomes compared to the citizens of any other industrialized nation. It is a disgrace and a crime, and we need to start labeling it a crime and treating it as such.

Re: The biggest issue facing America

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The simplest thing to do is pick out the best healthcare system in the world, and then replicate it exactly. So bring in the top officials from Singapore, put them on an independent commission to redesign the healthcare system, and force Congress to pass exactly the plan they come up with. Read more about Singapore's healthcare system here: http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2008/01/singapores_heal.... http://www.am…

Added the link to my list of reading. Looks very interesting. I do share your cynicism that we have no tolerance for real change politically. The charge of socialism meets every single proposal that involves a little more government involvement.

Lack of government involvement is not the problem with U.S. healthcare. There is government intervention everywhere. My rule of thumb for determining whether an industry is a free market or not, is that I ask the question, "Can I start a business to solve the problem? Or am I legally prevented or constrained from doing so?" In the U.S. I am legally barred from implementing most of my business ideas that would fix the healthcare system, so I do not consider it a free market.

The problem with U.S. politics in general is that it is fractured. Policy is determined by the interplay of powerful, organized factions. Any government intervention gets captured by these factions, and the policy ends up hurting the general interest rather than making things better.

Here is a comment I made a while ago where I explain how American politics works in practice: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=557298

Re: The biggest issue facing America

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It is a good start, but he doesn't have the detail at the local level to see what is going on - the prices are all over the map and there is no way to rationally determine what is expensive.

I have a weird plan where I pay a percentage of the total cost, but have to pay for everything first and then get reimbursed; but ultimately a more expensive operation ends up costing me more, so it always makes sense to shop around.

As a result, I know all the cash costs for an upcoming outpatient surgery I am having, and whether they offer cash discounts.

The difference between various hospitals and service centers is HUGE, like 5 to 8 times from one place to another.

Imaging center "A" : CT scan $232 ; Chest Xray: $33; EKG: $21

Hospitals "A" and "B" : CT scan >$1000; Xray $185; EKG: > $100

You end up renting the operating room (the surgeon has privileges at 4 different locations):

(new, shiny, modern) Surgery Center "A": $1200 with cash discount

Hospital "A" : no exact price, "range is $7K to $11K, typical is $9500"

Hospital "B" : no exact price, "range is about $7500, cash discount = $5000"

HOW can it even be reasonable that there is such a discrepancy in pricing? For one hospital, the CT scan "interpretation charge" was more than the $232 I spent on the entire scan + interpretation at the imaging place I went to.

(And yes, I used the exact same billing code in discussions with all the medical billing people I talked to.)

Re: The biggest issue facing America

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some points:

- healthcare is not a business. get over it. the law says you cannot decline emergency care. there is no business model here, any more than there is in running the navy. its a cost.

- you care about public health. meaning, you care if other people are healthy. do you go to the mall or restaurants? if you do, you care if the person next to you has TB. infectous diseases doesn't care about your fully-paid premiums...it matters if other people are also healthy. this once again goes to the fact that healthcare is not a business.

- single payer is the only model that works. or would you prefer to spend another century experimenting with craptastic half-baked business/public hybrids? all health insurance companies must go. the government itself chooses single payer when it needs to run large healthcare plans. the VA, military, federal govt...they all go through single-payer.

- healthcare will be rationed. deal with it. water is rationed. the carpool lane is rationed. bandwidth is rationed. why would healthcare not be rationed?

Re: The biggest issue facing America

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post #11

I just finished "In Defense of Food." Michael Pollan makes a pretty good case that the health care issue is driven by processed food - causing obesity, type 2 diabetes, high blood pressure and cancer. Essentially if americans ate less processed food (and less food overall), there wouldn't be a healthcare issue.

Absolutely. One of the best things we could do would be changing our farm subsidies away from corn and sugar and instead contribute to many forms of fresh produce.
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