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Plug: the brain of your devices

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Re: Plug: the brain of your devices

#61
post #51

Pretty dishonest. They claim you have to manually copy files to and from DropBox, but I've always just used the auto-sync feature. The only files I generate not in my DropBox are the ones in source control.

I'm pretty sure they mean that you have to manually copy and store all your files in the Dropbox folder, where with plug, any file anywhere on your PC gets synced.

I'm not entirely sure that's a good thing, but it's definitely different.

Re: Plug: the brain of your devices

#62
post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the other hand, store things on a 3rd party cloud storage provider that will happily hand everything over to the NSA whenever they ask... If it's in your home they don't have an easy interface to it, they have to physically infiltrate your residence, which costs a lot more and, presumably, will require more than a passing interest in you to happen.

Sure but then your hard drive fails (as they tend to do) and you lose all the data. Sounds like the right solution is just encryption on the client + 3rd party cloud storage.

Except its easy to build RAID enclosures that are USB mass storage devices. Plus, it replicates data across multiple Plugs in different location, and I think the Plug software also shares data on your computer (which can be RAIDed) through your private Plug network as well.

Re: Plug: the brain of your devices

#63
I was piecing something like this together on my own with a laptop and a pile of external hard drives, when I found my desk overrun by the little things. They were too fragile and didn't stack well. I started looking around for a shelf to hold external hard drives and do cable routing, when it hit me "oh yeah, that's called a desktop computer." So I bought a nice computer case and a relatively inexpensive motherboard/CPU combo and filled it with disks. Way sturdier, and much faster. I'm not sure at all what I was thinking before with that USB idea.

Using external hard drives as a semi-permanent storage array is not a good solution. For an appliance, Drobo/Synology has the right idea here, and I think this group is making a mistake by expecting people to build a disk array out of a hub and USB drives.

Re: Plug: the brain of your devices

#64

This seems like a very ambitious project, which is great. It does seem at risk of boiling the ocean. They're taking on: * NAS device with encrypted file storage and UPNP * setting up a VPN * client software for said VPN on each platform (or at least installers that can configure each platform's native VPN support) * multi-device file sync * whole -device file sync, with client software for each platform, presumably w…

UPNP can be handled by existing Linux UPNP software. There is a FOSS VPN that can do point to point VPN routing, but I'm forgetting the name. FUSE works ona a surprisingly large number of operating systems now (Linux, OSX, Android-fied Linux, Windows), so building a FUSE file system can be done. And as for data sync and replication? CEPH can probably handle this.

The software exists to do this, no one has put it together in an easy to use package. This is why I funded their effort, I want this to come to pass.

Re: Plug: the brain of your devices

#65
I actually really like the idea, but the problems I would have are:

My current internet has awful upload speeds, but I've had fibre in the past and many other people do/will.

So ruling that out, my other issue is surely my main PC has to be on? 99% of my media (the only real use to me) is on it.

Wake on LAN was a given I thought. I didn't read anything and quick CTRL-F finds nothing. It was quite hard to read through the spiel but if it's 2 years in development; is WOL such a given they don't mention it or is there a reason they're not doing it?

Re: Plug: the brain of your devices

#67
post #34

Yes. Store hundreds of movies and hundreds of thousands of pictures on plug and access them anywhere![1] [1]: So long as you have an absurdly fast internet connection at your house, and also have an absurdly fast internet connection wherever you are that you're trying to use this thing...and aren't on an airplane, or in the car, or on a train...which is when you would generally want to watch movies on your tablet.

This is going to become less and less of a problem as time goes on. There was a time when the idea of streaming high quality video and doing so using Flash, at that, seemed ridiculous, but it's ridiculously commonplace, now. I often stream things from a VPS instance to my home via sshfs right now. Doing so over even 3G would work in many cases.

Shoot, I do this with Plex:web off my Mac Mini all the time. Works great. Now has HTML5 video AFAIK, and scales the quality to the available bandwidth. I watch on my Android phone over 3G all the time.

In reality my "cloud storage" is just my Mac Mini with a set of drives attached, and mounted via SSHfs when I really need it. Works fine, but a nicer software package that's more akin to a self-hosted Dropbox would be pretty nice. I don't need a dongle, though it's a nice idea if you don't have a home server.

Re: Plug: the brain of your devices

#68
post #31

This seems like a very ambitious project, which is great. It does seem at risk of boiling the ocean. They're taking on: * NAS device with encrypted file storage and UPNP * setting up a VPN * client software for said VPN on each platform (or at least installers that can configure each platform's native VPN support) * multi-device file sync * whole -device file sync, with client software for each platform, presumably w…

All these are already done by our Tonido ( http://www.tonido.com ) and TonidoPlug project and it is available and it works.

Also: Your website is hard to navigate. I wanted to see how much it costs, and I couldn't find a direct link. I clicked a buy link and then subsequently found a "go green" link which finally allowed me to see the product.

Just an observation.

Re: Plug: the brain of your devices

#69
I think this project has great ambition and tone. I like it, it seems good.

But — trust users to manage their own physical data? Forget it. It seems to me that people don't just want their data accessible from everywhere, but they want it to be kept in perpetuity. Considering the backup schemes I see among even tech savvy friends: really, forget it. Those fussy WD Passports can't compare to the reliability of Glacier. The cost of cloud storage is worth it.

There are a few workarounds I can imagine though, and I like where this is headed overall, so: nice work!

Re: Plug: the brain of your devices

#70

This seems like a very ambitious project, which is great. It does seem at risk of boiling the ocean. They're taking on: * NAS device with encrypted file storage and UPNP * setting up a VPN * client software for said VPN on each platform (or at least installers that can configure each platform's native VPN support) * multi-device file sync * whole -device file sync, with client software for each platform, presumably w…

UPNP can be handled by existing Linux UPNP software. There is a FOSS VPN that can do point to point VPN routing, but I'm forgetting the name. FUSE works ona a surprisingly large number of operating systems now (Linux, OSX, Android-fied Linux, Windows), so building a FUSE file system can be done. And as for data sync and replication? CEPH can probably handle this. The software exists to do this, no one has put it toge…

Indeed, I wasn't suggesting that any one of those things was technically infeasible, but that "putting it together" is a very large undertaking, because there are a lot of things they're trying to put together.

I don't think FUSE is how this works: see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6027569.

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