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Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper

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Re: Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper

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Post by mtgx »

slantyyz wrote: post #58
revaaron wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's also worth noting that this and the 38 MP Nokia 808 phone have a 1/1.2" sensor, larger than all but one fixed lens compact camera, including cellphones. The only compact with a larger sensor is the Sony RX100/RX100 II. Not quite DSLR quality, but higher quality than you'll get out of most compacts. The high MP counts allows you do downsample/pixel bin for higher quality images and also allows room to crop, provi…

>> Not quite DSLR quality If you are a big DxOMark fan, you'll find the RX100mk2 scores a 67, while the RX100 scores a 66, which is the same score as a Canon 7D's sensor. And while you may argue that the 7D's sensor is old, Canon's been pumping variations of the 7D sensor into all of their recent APS cameras short of the freshly announced 70D.

I think Sony is rumored to use a RX100 lens or sensor in their upcoming Sony Honami (of 20 MP).

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Post by moheeb »

dntrkv wrote: post #25
ebbv wrote: post #14

They ruined the design of the old Lumia for the benefit of a better camera. Who's really clamoring for that? And who's willing to pay $299.99 with 2 year contract for it? Nokia really doesn't know what they're doing.

The camera is definitely the most used app on my phone. I would say it's the same for about 50-70% of my friends.

I find that hard to believe. Nearly everyone I see using a phone is txting.

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Post by 300bps »

epsylon wrote: post #43
psbp wrote: post #16

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I switch between iOS and Android, but the Lumia phones do seem attractive to me despite WP. They could have really differentiated in the android market, or at least forced Samsung to make some better hardware choices.

WP, especially WP8 got pretty got reviews. Why the hate ? Especially with Nokia phones where you get Nokia Maps for free. I don't know of any Android phone where you get an offline quality GPS for free.

I went from iOS Google Maps->Apple Maps->iOS Google Maps on my iPhones. The Google Maps worked really well.

The HERE Drive+ from Nokia Maps though is fantastic. One nice feature (of many)... it shows you the current speed limit on every road that you're on. It also shows you your current speed and it is dead-on accurate. It can even be set to give an alert if you exceed the speed limit by x MPH.

Hands down, the built-in Lumia 928 maps application is better than any maps application I ever used on any of my three iPhones.

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Post by martingordon »

slantyyz wrote: post #51
mtgx wrote: post #33

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And that's the problem with Nokia and their phones. People are buying them for the hardware, despite the OS. They could sell so much more with Android. I'd say they could even beat Samsung in sales eventually (again). But right now I can't even extrapolate how much time it would take them to ever do that, if even possible.

>> despite the OS For a normal user, how much does the OS matter in 2013? The OS playing ground is much more level today than it was in 2008. I'll be upgrading my iPhone 4 soon, and frankly, I'll be considering everything OS out there. I'll actually be choosing based on hardware more than OS, because all the web services that I use are supported by every operating system. I guess if you're really into apps, the ecosy…

The OS doesn't matter; the apps do (at least the few "important" ones).

Most notably absent from WP is Instagram, which will be resolved when Hipstamatic launches for the OS.

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Post by untog »

300bps wrote: post #63
epsylon wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

WP, especially WP8 got pretty got reviews. Why the hate ? Especially with Nokia phones where you get Nokia Maps for free. I don't know of any Android phone where you get an offline quality GPS for free.

I went from iOS Google Maps->Apple Maps->iOS Google Maps on my iPhones. The Google Maps worked really well. The HERE Drive+ from Nokia Maps though is fantastic. One nice feature (of many)... it shows you the current speed limit on every road that you're on. It also shows you your current speed and it is dead-on accurate. It can even be set to give an alert if you exceed the speed limit by x MPH. Hands down, the built…

Maps app or Driving Navigation app? Because they're extremely different use cases. My experience with Nokia Maps was very poor, but I don't need to drive, so never got to try that out.

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Post by gebe »

untog wrote: post #59
300bps wrote: post #56

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I've had the Lumia 928 for 3 weeks now. My three previous phones were iPhone 3G, iPhone 4 and iPhone 4s. Part of me wishes that I would've gone Windows Phone sooner but the realistic part of me realizes that Windows Phone 7 was still nowhere near the quality of iOS. Windows Phone 8 is a completely different matter though. It's superior to my old iPhones in almost every way. Live tiles, SkyDrive integration (much bett…

At the risk of starting a device war, I'd agree with everything you've said, except that Android does a lot of those important things better still. Maps in particular- Google Maps is utterly unparalleled. But it's all down to the user- I have no requirement for Remote Desktop support, so that doesn't matter to me. I don't use OneNote or Office, and use Dropbox for file syncing.

Nokia Maps is _amazing_ and has been since the Symbian days, even more so by the fact that you can download maps beforehand (whole countries) and use them offline. Utterly unparalleled might be a bit harsh.

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Post by JimmaDaRustla »

I really wish this would rattle Android market share (I know it won't), because I would never in a hundred years have guessed that the camera in my Nexus 4 is as terrible as it is. My Samsung Focus had a better camera =(

I always mock my GF for having an iPhone (she buys stuff for looks), but if we need to take a picture, hand me that baby because I chose Nexus 4 over the Lumia 928.

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Post by slantyyz »

dntrkv wrote: post #41
edent wrote: post #3

So, two years later Windows Phone has finally caught up with Symbian! Is it because WP couldn't handle the camera - or were Microsoft actively crippling Nokia's technical advantages over the other OEMs?

Oh yes, because Symbian was such a great OS! I really don't understand all you Symbian lovers / WP haters. Symbian was the shittiest mobile OS that I have ever used. I would use Windows Mobile before Symbian. I remember when all the Nokia lovers were raging about the N97, so I decided to pick one up for something like $700 because it seemed like a great phone (and it had great specs for the time). It was the worst ph…

I've never used Symbian, but if it's worse than Windows Mobile 5, then it's got to be really bad.

If you didn't quit the camera app on WM5, it would stay running in the background and kill the battery without you knowing it. I also had lots of hangs that prevented me from answering calls.

Re: Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper

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Post by revaaron »

slantyyz wrote: post #58
revaaron wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's also worth noting that this and the 38 MP Nokia 808 phone have a 1/1.2" sensor, larger than all but one fixed lens compact camera, including cellphones. The only compact with a larger sensor is the Sony RX100/RX100 II. Not quite DSLR quality, but higher quality than you'll get out of most compacts. The high MP counts allows you do downsample/pixel bin for higher quality images and also allows room to crop, provi…

>> Not quite DSLR quality If you are a big DxOMark fan, you'll find the RX100mk2 scores a 67, while the RX100 scores a 66, which is the same score as a Canon 7D's sensor. And while you may argue that the 7D's sensor is old, Canon's been pumping variations of the 7D sensor into all of their recent APS cameras short of the freshly announced 70D.

First, my statement had to do with the 1/1.2" sensor that Nokia is using. Close in size to the RX100 and Nikon 1, but we can't assume that means the same level of image quality- there's a pretty big gap between the RX100 and Nikon 1 IQ scores, for instance.

To your point, I agree. I've seen comparable (and sometimes higher) IQ from my RX100 than I do from various MFT and APS-C DSLR/MILC cams with their kit lenses including the Canon T3i and T4i, GX1, a few NEXes, and Nikon D3000-D3200. The RX100 fares well against those cameras at the wide end of the zoom range when it comes to low light performance and thin DOF as well. Of course, you could spend more and get better lenses for those cameras and beat the RX100 in low light.

I do hope that the new sensor in the 70D provides an actual improvement in ISO score if not IQ and isn't just the older sensor with OSPDAF added.

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