Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper • Hacker News Board

Re: Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper

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Post by slantyyz » Thu, Jul 11, 2013, 4:46 PM UTC

TylerE wrote: post #22

revaaron wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I could get this on an Android phone, I'd probably go for it. I'd really like a camera on my phone which wasn't next to useless.

The problem with phone cameras (mostly) ins't the sensor, it's the glass, or lack there-of.

>> The problem with phone cameras (mostly) ins't the sensor, it's the glass, or lack there-of.

Is that a problem with the camera or the user's expectations of what that camera can do?

You can only push the laws of physics (with respect to optics, especially) so far, and if you want a camera that can fit in the pocket of a pair of skinny jeans, compromises must be made.

Re: Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper

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Post by TylerE » Thu, Jul 11, 2013, 4:48 PM UTC

slantyyz wrote: post #31

TylerE wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem with phone cameras (mostly) ins't the sensor, it's the glass, or lack there-of.

>> The problem with phone cameras (mostly) ins't the sensor, it's the glass, or lack there-of. Is that a problem with the camera or the user's expectations of what that camera can do? You can only push the laws of physics (with respect to optics, especially) so far, and if you want a camera that can fit in the pocket of a pair of skinny jeans, compromises must be made.

Sure. My point is this is the _worst_ kind of spec padding.

Re: Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper

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Post by mtgx » Thu, Jul 11, 2013, 4:48 PM UTC

psbp wrote: post #16

untog wrote: post #2

As someone who takes a lot of photos with my phone, this interests me a lot. Though as someone who has previously used Windows Phone, I'm very skeptical about going back to it. This is the first device that makes me wonder about Nokia's WP-exclusive decision. They didn't go with Android to avoid becoming "yet another" Android manufacturer, and I agree with that sentiment (look at how few are turning a profit). Howeve…

I switch between iOS and Android, but the Lumia phones do seem attractive to me despite WP. They could have really differentiated in the android market, or at least forced Samsung to make some better hardware choices.

And that's the problem with Nokia and their phones. People are buying them for the hardware, despite the OS. They could sell so much more with Android.

I'd say they could even beat Samsung in sales eventually (again). But right now I can't even extrapolate how much time it would take them to ever do that, if even possible.

Re: Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper

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Post by rgulati » Thu, Jul 11, 2013, 4:48 PM UTC

ebbv wrote: post #14

They ruined the design of the old Lumia for the benefit of a better camera. Who's really clamoring for that? And who's willing to pay $299.99 with 2 year contract for it? Nokia really doesn't know what they're doing.

Err what? They're not discontinuing the old Lumias.

The Lumia 920 will still be sold on AT&T, Lumia 928 on Verizon and Lumia 925 on Tmobile.

Samsung and Motorola phones have been regularly selling for $299.99 with contract.

Re: Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper

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Post by mtgx » Thu, Jul 11, 2013, 4:48 PM UTC

vanderZwan wrote: post #27

ebbv wrote: post #14

They ruined the design of the old Lumia for the benefit of a better camera. Who's really clamoring for that? And who's willing to pay $299.99 with 2 year contract for it? Nokia really doesn't know what they're doing.

I am clamoring for that. A smartphone that combines the best of the 808 pureview[1] sensor and the improvements of the Lumia 920 like image stabilization and better dynamic range[2]? Yes please. Also, I'm in Europe so don't need to worry about US contract woes. [1] http://www.dpreview.com/articles/8083837371/review-nokia-808... [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbvhZ-Mq4aQ

In Europe you have to worry about this being close to 1000 euro, unlocked, which is what its price will be.

Re: Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper

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Post by rgulati » Thu, Jul 11, 2013, 4:50 PM UTC

untog wrote: post #9

chenster wrote: post #7

My first impression is, does more mpegapixel instantly make the Nokia Lumia 1020 a better phone? If you truly want to take good photos, use a real camera, like a DSLR. Admittedly, 41-megapixel is quite a wow factor, but based on the hardware specs it seems it's more of a camera than a phone. The other questions is, do people want to every photo to be 20MB+?

The article does a really bad job of explaining what's going on here- the resulting photos won't be 41megapixels. It uses that huge amount as a means to "smooth out" the noise/oddities in the photo, and save it as a more reasonable 5MP or 8MP image.

That's still incomplete info.

It takes both a 38MP photo and a derived 8mp photo.

The 8MP photo is for easier storage and sharing, while the 38MP is for zooming in.

http://c699379.r79.cf3.rackcdn.com/Nokia%20808%20Pureview%20...

http://i.nokia.com/blob/view/-/849564/data/2/-/Download1.pdf

Re: Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper

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Post by mmanfrin » Thu, Jul 11, 2013, 4:50 PM UTC

ebbv wrote: post #14

They ruined the design of the old Lumia for the benefit of a better camera. Who's really clamoring for that? And who's willing to pay $299.99 with 2 year contract for it? Nokia really doesn't know what they're doing.

It's not about the camera, it's about presenting Nokia as a producer of a premium phone, so that other versions of Nokia look better in comparison. No one cares about Windows Phone, but when Nokia makes headlines for 41-megapixels, the general populace that doesn't really get that they don't need 41-megapixels will nevertheless notice, and think 'wow, that is a lot, does my iPhone have that?'.

99.9% of people who will buy this phone will never have a need for 41 megapixels. But they'll buy it just the same.

Re: Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper

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Post by halviti » Thu, Jul 11, 2013, 4:51 PM UTC

mtgx wrote: post #35

vanderZwan wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am clamoring for that. A smartphone that combines the best of the 808 pureview[1] sensor and the improvements of the Lumia 920 like image stabilization and better dynamic range[2]? Yes please. Also, I'm in Europe so don't need to worry about US contract woes. [1] http://www.dpreview.com/articles/8083837371/review-nokia-808... [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbvhZ-Mq4aQ

In Europe you have to worry about this being close to 1000 euro, unlocked, which is what its price will be.

I paid this for the 920, huge disappointment.

Re: Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper

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Post by danmaz74 » Thu, Jul 11, 2013, 4:52 PM UTC

rgulati wrote: post #8

mtgx wrote: post #5

Maybe this would've had a chance with Android, but with WP8? It's a niche offering within a niche OS market. It's like offering Battlefield 4 for Linux only .

If everyone had an attitude like that, no one would ever take a risk to fight the incumbents in any of the markets. Offering Battlefield 4 for only Linux would do wonders for Linux adoption. Linux on the desktop needs something like that to push it.

Only, what would a game company care about Linux adoption?

Re: Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper

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Post by Recoil42 » Thu, Jul 11, 2013, 4:54 PM UTC

ebbv wrote: post #14

They ruined the design of the old Lumia for the benefit of a better camera. Who's really clamoring for that? And who's willing to pay $299.99 with 2 year contract for it? Nokia really doesn't know what they're doing.

The camera is without a doubt, the most important part of my phone. I use it at least a dozen times a day. I'd absolutely pay $300 for a phone with a good enough camera.

Unfortunately, I'm not going to do that AND switch to Windows Phone. But given an Android or iOS device with this exact hardware? I'd 100% grab one of these.