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The NSA slide you haven’t seen

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It may have been published at the Post for the first time, but Guardian released this over a month ago. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/08/nsa-prism-server...

There is some talk on Twitter about how the Guardian uses OpenOffice primarily which may account for the differences in the slides.

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It may have been published at the Post for the first time, but Guardian released this over a month ago. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/08/nsa-prism-server...

Was just about to post this, the only difference is that two of the secret program names are unredacted in the Wapo version.

As the article points out, the map is different in both as well. One shows CONUS, the other, the whole Earth.

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> "collection directly from the servers" So either Snowden has incorrect slides, the slides are falsified, or everyone has been lying. Actual evidence of direct access would be better than these slides. I would like someone from Google, Facebook, et al to testify under oath that there is no direct access. Or maybe even the NSA, but we know they share inaccuracies under oath, so maybe that isn't worth so much.

I wonder if anyone would be brave enough to test this, i.e. use TLS 1.2/forward security to one of sites mentioned, send a message to a "friend" (dumby account) that says you are planning an attack, and see what happens (i.e. it's only viewable by facebook/google whatever, not in transit)

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Anyone still using - Microsoft - Yahoo - Google - Facebook - PalTalk - AOL - Skype - YouTube - or Apple? Yeah, I thought so. EDIT: Seriously, downvoters: you NEED TO WAKE THE FUCK UP !

Yes, because I actually carefully choose what I do online.

Good, continue to support the surveillance state with

- either your data

- and/or your money.

Sincerely, your NSA

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> "collection directly from the servers" So either Snowden has incorrect slides, the slides are falsified, or everyone has been lying. Actual evidence of direct access would be better than these slides. I would like someone from Google, Facebook, et al to testify under oath that there is no direct access. Or maybe even the NSA, but we know they share inaccuracies under oath, so maybe that isn't worth so much.

Yes, either the slides are wrong, and they don't mean "direct access" the way we're thinking about it, and they may be referring to those "lock boxes" or those "secure FTP" connections that the companies use to send them the requested data - or they've managed to hack these companies somehow, and they just aren't aware of it. This is assuming the companies didn't allow them to put backdoors on their servers.

Either way, the tapping of cables is bad enough.

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> "collection directly from the servers" So either Snowden has incorrect slides, the slides are falsified, or everyone has been lying. Actual evidence of direct access would be better than these slides. I would like someone from Google, Facebook, et al to testify under oath that there is no direct access. Or maybe even the NSA, but we know they share inaccuracies under oath, so maybe that isn't worth so much.

I remember a few years ago or so Google was saying China hacked into the access meant for law enforcement.

This might be what the slides meant. And the NSA has already lied under oath to congress. Maybe even twice.

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> "collection directly from the servers" So either Snowden has incorrect slides, the slides are falsified, or everyone has been lying. Actual evidence of direct access would be better than these slides. I would like someone from Google, Facebook, et al to testify under oath that there is no direct access. Or maybe even the NSA, but we know they share inaccuracies under oath, so maybe that isn't worth so much.

So, if you're under oath, you're not allowed to lie. And if you're read into an SCI program that controls the disclosure of the existence of such access, you're most definitely not allowed to say anything about it (or, in many cases, even acknowledge that such a thing exists). There is no way someone would risk perjuring themselves OR disclosing classified information under oath.

Not saying anything would say a lot. It would be enough to affect consumer confidence in that products are not being accessed by the NSA.

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Once again, I suggest everyone interested read James Bamford's book Shadow Factory.

All these revelations regarding call metadata, PRISM collection (albeit under a different codename at the time), modern fiber taps, and even more are covered.

You'll learn about how they shave fiber optic cables in order to intercept traffic and not be detected. You'll find out about the various facilities already reported, along with others like the NSA Georgia facility. You'll find out exactly where on what beach these fiber lines run in and out of. It's a very well-researched book.

You'll learn a lot more than what's been verified with these leaks.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Shadow-Factory-Eavesdropping-Ameri...

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, because I actually carefully choose what I do online.

Good, continue to support the surveillance state with - either your data - and/or your money. Sincerely, your NSA

But I am not giving them useful information, nor am I paying for those services.

Re: The NSA slide you haven’t seen

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Was just about to post this, the only difference is that two of the secret program names are unredacted in the Wapo version.

As the article points out, the map is different in both as well. One shows CONUS, the other, the whole Earth.

These come from the NSA originally - so it's probably SOP to make slight changes to every page of every document each time it is released to someone, so that they can track the exact source and path of any leaks.
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