Google the story about 7 cops in VA that went after a 17yr old girl because she was carrying non alcoholic fruit soda the cops thought were wine coolers. They handled this by breaking through her car windows guns drawn like they were seals going after bin laden lol.
Too Many Cops Are Told They’re Soldiers Fighting a War. How Did We Get Here?
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#22Simple, do you see the limits to preventive actions they can take in most cities? Have you read how "rights" activist are going to strip NYC cops from doing just that which has resulted in an incredible drop in murders and similar crimes? We got there because we stopped police from policing and instead forced them to respond to situations left to build until they explode. We got there by telling them, no you can't lo…
I'm not sure of what you're trying to say here. Is it OK for the police to harass people because they're black, or sport a beard, or wear the wrong T-shirt? That's what you call "preventive policing"?
You can't deny the effectiveness of putting everyone in jail.
Re: Too Many Cops Are Told They’re Soldiers Fighting a War. How Did We Get Here?
#23Simple, do you see the limits to preventive actions they can take in most cities? Have you read how "rights" activist are going to strip NYC cops from doing just that which has resulted in an incredible drop in murders and similar crimes? We got there because we stopped police from policing and instead forced them to respond to situations left to build until they explode. We got there by telling them, no you can't lo…
We got here because of the War on Drugs. Look at what they use the SWAT teams primarily for.
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#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not sure of what you're trying to say here. Is it OK for the police to harass people because they're black, or sport a beard, or wear the wrong T-shirt? That's what you call "preventive policing"?
You can't deny the effectiveness of putting everyone in jail.
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#25Since I can't flag the story, I'd like someone to explain to me how in the hell they consider this "Hacker News".
Seriously, this article, and all 22 comments of this discussion belong on reddit.
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#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not sure of what you're trying to say here. Is it OK for the police to harass people because they're black, or sport a beard, or wear the wrong T-shirt? That's what you call "preventive policing"?
You can't deny the effectiveness of putting everyone in jail.
You must have a different definition of "effective" than I do. Prison is like graduate school for criminal behavior.
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#27The SWAT issue is a different issue IMO, more related to politicians wanting to "do something" at the Federal and State levels. "Doing something" translates to "allocate funding". That money can pay for more cops/overtime, or stuff. Or it may be earmarked by a congressman whose donor makes light tanks to only buy tanks.
The us vs. them stuff is related to the state of affairs in high-crime communities. Cops can't relate to the people they interact with (and vice versa) because they essentially live in different societies -- they might as well be different planets.
If a policeman has access to body armor and machine guns to serve a warrant on some guy in a house, he will take them along. The cop has no idea who may be behind a door when they knock -- they may be intoxicated/high, have a vicious pit bull, or just be a scared kid with a gun and nothing to lose. The policeman wants to go home to see his kids at the end of his shift.
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#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
From the article: "–You are 8 times more likely to be killed by a police officer than by a terrorist"... Wow, so we need a war against... The police? If we follow todays logic?
You misunderstand his point: what we really need is a war on toddlers.
If the military hardware fails, we can always eat them ala modest proposal
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#30Since I can't flag the story, I'd like someone to explain to me how in the hell they consider this "Hacker News". Seriously, this article, and all 22 comments of this discussion belong on reddit.
From [1], "McKenzie Wark talks about the new class of hackers, a direct social manifestation of the intellectual property laws. According to Wark hackers are the people capable of forcing the sign/information system to creatively transform."
Since hackers transform the sign/information system, they inherently infringe upon AND establish authority. This puts us incidentally in the same position as other authority, such as police.