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Stop Glorifying Hard Work and Long Hours
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Re: Stop Glorifying Hard Work and Long Hours
#82When I worked at a large corporation, I nearly automated all of my work and I was called lazy. I'd do about an hour work a day, customize an existing script to process new data, then read for the remaining 6 hours. Co-workers called me a lazy nerd and proceeded to copy paste words into excel for 8 hours. Now I get to wake up at 12, smoke a joint, have a beer, take a shower, go for a walk with my dog, and then work on…
> When I worked at a large corporation, I nearly automated all of my work and I was called lazy. I'd do about an hour work a day, customize an existing script to process new data, then read for the remaining 6 hours. Co-workers called me a lazy nerd and proceeded to copy paste words into excel for 8 hours. Oh my god, I'm dealing with this now. I made a Python program that automated a lot of our Excel work. It reduced…
That sounds like a horrible environment!! If you live within 500 km of me, I'll buy the first round...
Re: Stop Glorifying Hard Work and Long Hours
#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
I agree with that. Sometimes a meeting is the only way to get the right people talking about the problem or issue.
Doesn't that indicate a huge organizational dysfunction, if you cannot get an answer through (say) email?
I'm surprised you would consider e-mail an effective tool to have a discussion with multiple people. In the past I've found emails for non-trivial things to be more slow and frustrating than useful.
Re: Stop Glorifying Hard Work and Long Hours
#84Well, there are certainly two camps with regard to this. If you don't feel like going over to Alex's campfire, holding hands and singing Kumbaya - let me invite you over to the other fire for an inspirational moment before getting back to work: "Americans love to fight. All real Americans love the sting and clash of battle. When you were kids, you all admired the champion marble shooter, the fastest runner, the big-l…
Oh, I do love a false dichotomy between a zero-sum contest to the death and a hippie commune.
Real Americans apparently love the sting and clash of battle, which is why you have most of the rest of the world pissed-off at you.
Re: Stop Glorifying Hard Work and Long Hours
#85This seems incredibly one sided to me and I'm surprised at the number of people who are in agreement. I guess if you make the assumption that the person is lazy or inefficient and that's the reason they're working hard then this would make sense. However, I'm 24; I work a day job from 8 to 5; I go to the gym and go home and work on a startup from ~7-12 and do it all over again. And yea, I'm proud of that. Not only th…
> I'm 24; I work a day job from 8 to 5; I go to the gym and go home and work on a startup from ~7-12 and do it all over again.
And your life occurs where in that process?
Sounds like a path to being a droid.
Re: Stop Glorifying Hard Work and Long Hours
#86One small subset of the discussion that I think is relevant.
Anyone ever notice how sometimes your most productive days are when you know you have to cut out early for some important event? "Can't mess around today as I have to leave early" 3pm comes around and you're kind of shocked by how much you got done.
Re: Stop Glorifying Hard Work and Long Hours
#87Work smarter, not harder.
I am going to create a startup soon and we're going to work out of my beachfront 2-bedroom FIOS-equipped apt for starters. The schedule will be:
9am-noon: 5 minute standup to spec work for the day, then code.
Noon-2pm: Lunch but also surf, bike, boogieboard, suntan, volleyball, just do something fucking outside that involves physical activity.
2-5pm: Code. If you finish early, you get to leave.
Basically 2 3-hour spurts of hard work a day. If you finish what you intended to do that day early, you go.
I've noticed that I only get 1-2 solid things done a day, anyway, and the rest of the time is mostly wasted (or reading, etc.) Just fitting a healthy schedule to that.
Re: Stop Glorifying Hard Work and Long Hours
#88When I worked at a large corporation, I nearly automated all of my work and I was called lazy. I'd do about an hour work a day, customize an existing script to process new data, then read for the remaining 6 hours. Co-workers called me a lazy nerd and proceeded to copy paste words into excel for 8 hours. Now I get to wake up at 12, smoke a joint, have a beer, take a shower, go for a walk with my dog, and then work on…
> When I worked at a large corporation, I nearly automated all of my work and I was called lazy. I'd do about an hour work a day, customize an existing script to process new data, then read for the remaining 6 hours. Co-workers called me a lazy nerd and proceeded to copy paste words into excel for 8 hours. Oh my god, I'm dealing with this now. I made a Python program that automated a lot of our Excel work. It reduced…
It's time to leave that company. They don't deserve you.
Re: Stop Glorifying Hard Work and Long Hours
#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
But where does that end? We decide the 8 hour work week isn't productive enough, even though worker productivity has skyrocketed, so we go to 10, then we decide 10 hour days are for socialist pussies and go to 12 hour days, then eventually we are calling people lazy for sleeping and ridiculing them for not dragging concrete blocks for a .0000001% holding Elon Musk's Mars Miner corporation. I mean at some point life h…
Social norms are a pendulum that swings back and forth every 100 years or so. At one end is 6 hours a day or 30 hrs a week, at the other end is work/sleep/repeat. Any less and a society can't function, any more and a person will physically break. Individually, you get the same shake every free man has had since the beginning. You climb the mountain until you don't feel like climbing anymore. Maybe you're hurt, maybe…
> Any less and a society can't function
I disagree with this. There is simply less work to be done than there used to be, what with automated factories and powerful computers. We've somehow turned this into an "unemployment crisis", when by rights it ought to be a huge boon that means everyone can work less.
Re: Stop Glorifying Hard Work and Long Hours
#90I feel like most of work life is now driven by silent aspirations (because they're socially unacceptable) rather than immediate industrial need. Bosses want people in for long hours because it makes them feel important. It serves no benefit to the business (in the long term) but it's about emotion and careerism. People in managerial positions don't just want to be rewarded for their work. They want prestige and the r…
I find your message to be profound.
> They want prestige and the root of almost all forms of prestige is nostalgia.
There's something of the hazing cycle in this too. They suffered, so they glorify the suffering, and share it with others.
> (2) they're only "glory days" for people who get major, career-improving and permanent benefits from the work-- otherwise it's just managerial abuse
In other words, for most people, this is nothing but slavery.
Interesting.