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Re: "Ender's Game" movie faces a boycott

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Post by Symmetry »

smoyer wrote: post #7
steve19 wrote: post #2

I wonder if the people signing this would also boycott anything run or owned by Middle Eastern royalty where laws that Card promotes both exist and are enforced.

Card is a Mormon and I have no problem with his belief that homosexual behaviors are wrong. Tolerance is different from belief though and if he doesn't practice tolerance, why should he expect people to tolerate his religion-based beliefs? One problem I see is that so many times, beliefs are also linked to hatred. There's really no place for hatred when two parties are trying to practice tolerance.

There's a big difference between saying "Gay marriage is bad and people who support it should feel bad" and "A government which allows gay marriage must be overthrown by any means necessary." The former I can ignore, the later not so much.

Re: "Ender's Game" movie faces a boycott

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Post by dllthomas »

anu_gupta wrote: post #22
_b8r0 wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course not, it's much easier to feel self-righteous boycotting one of the greatest living science fiction authors than boycotting the oil that funds this sort of thing. Gay marriage is legal in the US, and rightly so. Neither Orson Scott Card nor middle-eastern oil will change that.

> one of the greatest living science fiction authors Oh please. Ender's Game is a classic. The rest of his work is worse, and the recent Shadow stuff is execrable.

Having produced one classic work is easily enough to lift one to the level of "one of the greatest living science fiction authors" - remember Sturgeon's Law.

Re: "Ender's Game" movie faces a boycott

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Post by ukoto »

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #46
ukoto wrote: post #36

Just like Chik-fil-A boycott? Oh wait they've seen record profits lately. Perhaps it's because the silent majority of people are sick of gay culture? Fortunately I live in Russia where we've recently and unanimously passed several bills defending traditional marriage.[1] I would much rather my child read an anti-gay author than a gay one, and Ender's Game is a classic that I will surely pass on after I have a real ma…

That rant is so tired, so inconsistent, so laced with hate-speech, its become wearisome to respond to its ilk. Let me just say, lots of older couples, infertile couples, 'normal' couples get married never intending to have children, even in your own religion, that that fundamental argument is silly. Why do you keep making it? You come off sounding desperate, defensive, selfish. You make sex sound mechanical, imperson…

laced with hate-speech

This is like the made up term "homophobia". Just because I disagree with you and use my free speech to do so, does not give you the right to assume my opinions are coming from negative attributes. On the contrary, I care deeply about the future for my children.

lots of older couples, infertile couples, 'normal' couples get married

And they certainly can get married and consummate. It's unfortunate they won't be able to have children but perhaps they can adopt. I do not think same-sex couples should adopt, because this kind of terrible things happen[1].

Why do you keep making it?

This is the first time I've posted about gay marriage on HN.

I cannot imagine what kind of marriage you are describing, but it is not a marriage of joy and commitment.

Any parent will tell you: children are the greatest joy and a huge commitment. That is exactly what I'm describing.

[1] http://rt.com/news/pedophile-syndicate-russian-boy-481/

Re: "Ender's Game" movie faces a boycott

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Post by tome »

dsr_ wrote: post #37

I liked Ender's Game when I first read it. Then I thought about it. Ignore anything else the author has done: in this particular story, he poses a conflict between survival and ethical behavior, and illustrates it repeatedly... by having characters choose survival over ethics. He makes them heroes for it. Well. That's a brave stance. Except... that every time a character is given that decision, it is also clear, whet…

I've got a sense of what you're talking about, but could you give explicit examples? That would help make it clearer.

(I know that some of them will be massive spoilers for those who haven't read the book!)

Re: "Ender's Game" movie faces a boycott

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Post by skaevola »

Ziomislaw wrote: post #44
sneak wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nice people will know for next time not to work on projects that stand to enrich bigoted fuckheads. Alternately, these nice people could have Googled him before agreeing to work with the guy.

you are almost correct, I disagree with calling those ppl nice. it was their choice to support him, and as such it was their own decision to accept responsibility for it. being stupid enough to not realize it is same excuse as nazis "only following orders".

This is totally ridiculous. Working on a movie which has absolutely nothing to do with the author's admittedly terrible views is equivalent to being a Nazi?

And they're now morally culpable for everything he's ever said? Seriously?

Re: "Ender's Game" movie faces a boycott

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Post by dllthomas »

sigzero wrote: post #55
sneak wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pirate it. Best of both worlds!

Yes, do something illegal with it. That puts you on the HIGH MORAL ground. /s

Illegality is not immorality. While in this case, I don't think piriting the movie is an effective means of civil disobedience, there are certainly many instances of people retaining (and possibly gaining) the high moral ground during illegal activity.

Re: "Ender's Game" movie faces a boycott

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Post by Amadou »

erikpukinskis wrote: post #21
steve19 wrote: post #2

I wonder if the people signing this would also boycott anything run or owned by Middle Eastern royalty where laws that Card promotes both exist and are enforced.

I'm someone who has spent a lot of my life trying, often failing, to "be good". More and more, it seems like an impossible goal: On the one side you can retreat to the woods and live off of roots and berries trying not to do any direct harm. But then, depending on your privilege, you leave on the table so many opportunities to steer the ship of society in a less harmful direction. Or, at the other end of the spectrum…

My approach has been that if it is easy to do, I had darn well better do it.

To illustrate - since I was a teenager I realized that the war on drugs was manifestly wrong. I chose not to participate in any aspect of the war on drugs as best I could. When I was fresh out of college, most forms of employment required a drug test. So I did it, reluctantly, but I felt I could stand on my principles as a pauper or compromise and live a reasonable life.

But once I had FU money in the bank, I felt that it was my obligation to refuse all future drug testing because the cost to me is now practically nil. Since I can pick and choose the jobs I take, it is my moral obligation to never compromise again.

A corollary to this approach is that anyone who shares my ideals and chooses to give up the comfort of an easy life for those ideals deserves an enormous amount of respect because whatever character flaws they may have, they are "walking the talk" more than I was willing to.

Re: "Ender's Game" movie faces a boycott

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Post by ukoto »

beedogs wrote: post #53
ukoto wrote: post #36

Just like Chik-fil-A boycott? Oh wait they've seen record profits lately. Perhaps it's because the silent majority of people are sick of gay culture? Fortunately I live in Russia where we've recently and unanimously passed several bills defending traditional marriage.[1] I would much rather my child read an anti-gay author than a gay one, and Ender's Game is a classic that I will surely pass on after I have a real ma…

Pathetic that these kinds of accounts are showing up even on HN.

Are you living in a cave? The opinions that I am espousing are fully supported by huge modern nations such as Russia. I just gave you a link showing the government's unanimous support of bills banning gay propaganda. So why do you assume I'm a troll? Does it shatter your fragile world view to realize many intelligent and sane individuals are against gay marriage, so you have to imagine me as a joke?

That's what this whole news story is about. A dignified and successful author is against homosexuality, and the progressive community can't handle any opposition to their views so they tar and feather their reputation. So much for tolerating other viewpoints...

Re: "Ender's Game" movie faces a boycott

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Post by laumars »

ukoto wrote: post #63
JoeAltmaier wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That rant is so tired, so inconsistent, so laced with hate-speech, its become wearisome to respond to its ilk. Let me just say, lots of older couples, infertile couples, 'normal' couples get married never intending to have children, even in your own religion, that that fundamental argument is silly. Why do you keep making it? You come off sounding desperate, defensive, selfish. You make sex sound mechanical, imperson…

laced with hate-speech This is like the made up term "homophobia". Just because I disagree with you and use my free speech to do so, does not give you the right to assume my opinions are coming from negative attributes. On the contrary, I care deeply about the future for my children. lots of older couples, infertile couples, 'normal' couples get married And they certainly can get married and consummate. It's unfortun…

>* Just because I disagree with you and use my free speech to do so, does not give you the right to assume my opinions are coming from negative attributes.*

Free speech is a responsibility - not a right to say dumb things just because you can.

Re: "Ender's Game" movie faces a boycott

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Post by jiggy2011 »

Amadou wrote: post #67
erikpukinskis wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm someone who has spent a lot of my life trying, often failing, to "be good". More and more, it seems like an impossible goal: On the one side you can retreat to the woods and live off of roots and berries trying not to do any direct harm. But then, depending on your privilege, you leave on the table so many opportunities to steer the ship of society in a less harmful direction. Or, at the other end of the spectrum…

My approach has been that if it is easy to do, I had darn well better do it. To illustrate - since I was a teenager I realized that the war on drugs was manifestly wrong. I chose not to participate in any aspect of the war on drugs as best I could. When I was fresh out of college, most forms of employment required a drug test. So I did it, reluctantly, but I felt I could stand on my principles as a pauper or compromi…

The real problem with drug tests though is that those in a good position can refuse them, but those in a less advantageous position don't get so much choice.
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