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Japanese peer-to-peer (2008)

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Re: Japanese peer-to-peer (2008)

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Post by unsignedint »

What I found fascinating about this is not only technological aspect of it, but the social aspect of it.

Apparently, there's some sort of hierarchical social structure, especially prevalent in anime uploads; basically people with higher "caste" would upload more popular anime.

I have heard of stories where those who are not complying these systems, or people trying to get out of the system (especially higher ranked ones) are shunned, either by giving anonymous tips to police, etc. (It has been rumored sporadic arrests being made by police, despite larger user base, are because of this.)

Re: Japanese peer-to-peer (2008)

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Post by Amadou »

unsignedint wrote: post #21

What I found fascinating about this is not only technological aspect of it, but the social aspect of it. Apparently, there's some sort of hierarchical social structure, especially prevalent in anime uploads; basically people with higher "caste" would upload more popular anime. I have heard of stories where those who are not complying these systems, or people trying to get out of the system (especially higher ranked o…

Pirate Anime Yakuza? Sounds like an actual anime show.

Re: Japanese peer-to-peer (2008)

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Post by mnutt »

creamyhorror wrote: post #2

It's no surprise that Japan has evolved these anonymous networks, considering the legal pressure its media companies applies to its filesharers. Even Perfect Dark's users have been arrested, implying its security has been broken.[1] Maybe we elsewhere can draw some lessons. Reposting a comment of mine: ----- I actually submitted the Perfect Dark wiki article to HN after reading about Isamu's passing: http://en.wikipe…

On top of all that, Perfect Dark's author is an anonymous figure known as The Chairman.

Re: Japanese peer-to-peer (2008)

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Post by thelukester »

cmpctyd wrote: post #9
dvdkhlng wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AFAIR Bittorrent transmits IP-addresses in plaintext and thus hurts the privacy of any Tor-node that runs a BitTorrent client over Tor: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2011/04/not-anonymous-att...

It does not hurt any nodes used for the connection's anonymity, it does hurt their connectivity and performance. Tor nodes are publicly known and are not the same as Tor users. One of the many problems of BitTorrent or any high bandwidth application over Tor is the lack of capacity in the network (but there are others, as mentioned in my previous comment). BitTorrent has to provide an IP address; it is part of the pr…

For you I2P users, What are you using for P2P software, I2PSnark, iMule, or I2Phex? I tried it a few years ago, but didn't have much success in finding anything. Any tips for setting up, searching, performance tweaks?

Re: Japanese peer-to-peer (2008)

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Post by unsignedint »

Amadou wrote: post #23
unsignedint wrote: post #21

What I found fascinating about this is not only technological aspect of it, but the social aspect of it. Apparently, there's some sort of hierarchical social structure, especially prevalent in anime uploads; basically people with higher "caste" would upload more popular anime. I have heard of stories where those who are not complying these systems, or people trying to get out of the system (especially higher ranked o…

Pirate Anime Yakuza? Sounds like an actual anime show.

Almost like that!

Maybe worse... These people can get pretty nasty. After all, you are dealing with people who would try to locate you from a set of pictures. (Some people's obsession goes so far locating someone's residence from a set of pictures, examining time it was taken, and angle of shadow, etc.)

Re: Japanese peer-to-peer (2008)

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Post by unsignedint »

donohoe wrote: post #4

It looks like a great app and something I'd use (though the majority of content available likely to be Japanese?). The only other down-side I can see off the bat is that it runs only on Windows machines. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Share_(P2P) Anyone aware of an OSX version?

It seems like protocol is pretty much deciphered (for forensic purpose, more likely.) I never heard any existence of it outside of Windows.

I've once tried to run it on Wine while ago, it looks like it incorporates quite a bit of environment checking (so to prevent someone from modifying network parameters?) and I remember it was having problems running -- not sure if it's still the case with later version of Wine.

Re: Japanese peer-to-peer (2008)

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Post by a_bonobo »

gwern wrote: post #15
creamyhorror wrote: post #2

It's no surprise that Japan has evolved these anonymous networks, considering the legal pressure its media companies applies to its filesharers. Even Perfect Dark's users have been arrested, implying its security has been broken.[1] Maybe we elsewhere can draw some lessons. Reposting a comment of mine: ----- I actually submitted the Perfect Dark wiki article to HN after reading about Isamu's passing: http://en.wikipe…

> Even Perfect Dark's users have been arrested, implying its security has been broken.[1] What can one expect, with such closed software and flagrant violations of Kerckhoffs's principle? The real question I'd like to see answered by these articles on Winny and Perfect Dark is why the Japanese are insane enough to use these when they're known to be broken - so they're less secure than alternatives like Freenet and le…

In my own opinion, there's not much "direct" Japanese content in "western" systems like BitTorrent - my girlfriend's Japanese and constantly asks me for recordings of Japanese day-time TV, which you can't easily get on BitTorrent (there's exactly one tracker for Japanese TV-shows, lots for Anime, I think one tracker offers lesser-known Japanese movies, and that one has a ratio-system). Big western trackers like PirateBay rarely store these TV-shows.

I'm pretty sure that these "Japanese" systems are so successful not because of their technical features, but because they offer Japanese content.

Re: Japanese peer-to-peer (2008)

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Post by aaron695 »

Pretty sure this article is totally wrong on all it's assumptions on security being broken.

All arrest to my knowledge were from people posting hashes in a public way.

Statements like this are definitely wrong, this is NSA style stuff, if possible at all. I though there are only a handful (One?) md5 collisions found.

"The relative weakness of md5 has led to hash spoofing attacks on the WinNY network."

Re: Japanese peer-to-peer (2008)

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Post by gwern »

a_bonobo wrote: post #28
gwern wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Even Perfect Dark's users have been arrested, implying its security has been broken.[1] What can one expect, with such closed software and flagrant violations of Kerckhoffs's principle? The real question I'd like to see answered by these articles on Winny and Perfect Dark is why the Japanese are insane enough to use these when they're known to be broken - so they're less secure than alternatives like Freenet and le…

In my own opinion, there's not much "direct" Japanese content in "western" systems like BitTorrent - my girlfriend's Japanese and constantly asks me for recordings of Japanese day-time TV, which you can't easily get on BitTorrent (there's exactly one tracker for Japanese TV-shows, lots for Anime, I think one tracker offers lesser-known Japanese movies, and that one has a ratio-system). Big western trackers like Pirat…

So the solution to easily-used systems like BitTorrent which lack Japanese content... is to not start uploading content there, but to invent entirely new networks without any kind of content whatsoever and start uploading there?

Your explanation makes no sense.

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