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TSA's gun policy: Confiscate it, Instagram it

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post #8

The headline is a bit odd. The TSA blog gives clear and simple instructions on how to take your weapons onto a plane. (Not loaded, not in your hand luggage.) Some people have said (on HN as well as other places) that the TSA have never stopped weapons getting on board a plane and if they had they would have heavily publicised it. In fact, they stop about 20 to 30 guns each week from getting on board a plane. Those gu…

> to help remind people to put guns into checked baggage instead I have to wonder how many of the firearms they stop are just regular law-abiding concealed handgun license bearers who, in their rush to get to the airport, forgot that they keep a loaded firearm in their purse, briefcase, or backpack. Since the penalty is a $7,500 fine and not 20 years in jail, I have to presume this scenario is far more common "malici…

> (only 10% of the people we stopped were even licensed to carry a handgun!)

That would only be a meaningful statement in some states.

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#22
post #11

One of the pictures has a clear visual date stamp with a "/90." Maybe this means nothing. But I wonder if they are misleadingly posting these as if they were just discovered, rather than over what appears to be at least 23 years.

The image is also on this page but without the date stamp. (http://blog.tsa.gov/2013/06/tsa-week-in-review-tsa-week-in-r...)

Here's the URL. (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-SysR15uPqBM/Uc4NPpBKBMI/AAAAAAAADH...)

Maybe they took it off for the blog post, or maybe Instagram put it on because 1990 is, uh, retro?

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#23
post #9

This feels kinda wrong, but I have to keep in mind that these people chose to give up these items. From the TSA Blog (I cannot confirm if true) When prohibited items come through the checkpoint, passengers are given options: 1) Take the item to the ticket counter and check it in your baggage or a box provided by the airport. 2) Many airports have a US Postal Service or other shipping services area where boxes, stamps…

In many places, none of these suggestions would help someone who realizes he is carrying a handgun.

1) There are guidelines for how the firearm must be shipped; simply sliding it into your checked baggage will not work.

2) Handguns are generally prohibited from being mailed via the USPS.

3) The person seeing you off may not be properly licensed to transport the handgun.

4) Storing a valuable object in a vehicle which is in long-term parking sounds like a bad idea. Municipalities which have strict theft-reporting requirements do not have exceptions for "I was out of town and didn't know that my car had been burgled."

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#24
post #17
post #8

The headline is a bit odd. The TSA blog gives clear and simple instructions on how to take your weapons onto a plane. (Not loaded, not in your hand luggage.) Some people have said (on HN as well as other places) that the TSA have never stopped weapons getting on board a plane and if they had they would have heavily publicised it. In fact, they stop about 20 to 30 guns each week from getting on board a plane. Those gu…

> to help remind people to put guns into checked baggage instead I have to wonder how many of the firearms they stop are just regular law-abiding concealed handgun license bearers who, in their rush to get to the airport, forgot that they keep a loaded firearm in their purse, briefcase, or backpack. Since the penalty is a $7,500 fine and not 20 years in jail, I have to presume this scenario is far more common "malici…

I feel like I am the only person on this thread that thinks the scenario that someone just happened to "damn, went to the airport and forgot that I had a gun in my bag while going through airport security" is pretty far-fetched.

A pocketknife from a fishing trip? Understandable. Being forgetful about having a gun in your bag? While going through airport security to get on an airplane? Not so much.

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post #9

This feels kinda wrong, but I have to keep in mind that these people chose to give up these items. From the TSA Blog (I cannot confirm if true) When prohibited items come through the checkpoint, passengers are given options: 1) Take the item to the ticket counter and check it in your baggage or a box provided by the airport. 2) Many airports have a US Postal Service or other shipping services area where boxes, stamps…

Aren't you already inside the security checkpoint when the carry on is checked for? How can one leave items at the car by then?

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#26
post #17
post #8

The headline is a bit odd. The TSA blog gives clear and simple instructions on how to take your weapons onto a plane. (Not loaded, not in your hand luggage.) Some people have said (on HN as well as other places) that the TSA have never stopped weapons getting on board a plane and if they had they would have heavily publicised it. In fact, they stop about 20 to 30 guns each week from getting on board a plane. Those gu…

> to help remind people to put guns into checked baggage instead I have to wonder how many of the firearms they stop are just regular law-abiding concealed handgun license bearers who, in their rush to get to the airport, forgot that they keep a loaded firearm in their purse, briefcase, or backpack. Since the penalty is a $7,500 fine and not 20 years in jail, I have to presume this scenario is far more common "malici…

> I have to wonder how many of the firearms they stop are just regular law-abiding concealed handgun license bearers who, in their rush to get to the airport, forgot that they keep a loaded firearm in their purse, briefcase, or backpack.

I'm sure this accounts for the majority of weapon seizures, but this doesn't make them invalid. I would not be comfortable with improperly stored loaded weapons bouncing around an overhead storage bin.

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post #19
post #8

The headline is a bit odd. The TSA blog gives clear and simple instructions on how to take your weapons onto a plane. (Not loaded, not in your hand luggage.) Some people have said (on HN as well as other places) that the TSA have never stopped weapons getting on board a plane and if they had they would have heavily publicised it. In fact, they stop about 20 to 30 guns each week from getting on board a plane. Those gu…

> Some people have said (on HN as well as other places) that the TSA have never stopped weapons getting on board a plane and if they had they would have heavily publicised it I believe the standard claim is that they have never discovered and apprehended a terrorist, preventing an attack. Everybody knows they steal shit from people who, although perhaps stupid, are not terrorists.

(https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3810785)

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post #21
post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> to help remind people to put guns into checked baggage instead I have to wonder how many of the firearms they stop are just regular law-abiding concealed handgun license bearers who, in their rush to get to the airport, forgot that they keep a loaded firearm in their purse, briefcase, or backpack. Since the penalty is a $7,500 fine and not 20 years in jail, I have to presume this scenario is far more common "malici…

> (only 10% of the people we stopped were even licensed to carry a handgun!) That would only be a meaningful statement in some states.

If by "some", you mean "most", and if by "most", you mean "all but one."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concealed_carry_in_the_United_...

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#29
post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> to help remind people to put guns into checked baggage instead I have to wonder how many of the firearms they stop are just regular law-abiding concealed handgun license bearers who, in their rush to get to the airport, forgot that they keep a loaded firearm in their purse, briefcase, or backpack. Since the penalty is a $7,500 fine and not 20 years in jail, I have to presume this scenario is far more common "malici…

To be fair, they're not regular law-abiding citizens if they're bringing a loaded gun into an airport and attempting to get on a plane with it. As much as I would love to see the TSA disappear tomorrow, some might argue that carelessness should be punished more often than it actually is...

Sure, happy to be pedantic. I meant "regular, non-malicious, normally law-abiding citizens, obviously in violation of the law this time, but not intentionally, because they got stressed out trying to make their flight on time and overlooked a (admittedly very serious) item in their bag."

There are so many laws on the books these days I'm sure even my Grandma could be locked up for a couple decades.

Re: TSA's gun policy: Confiscate it, Instagram it

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post #11

One of the pictures has a clear visual date stamp with a "/90." Maybe this means nothing. But I wonder if they are misleadingly posting these as if they were just discovered, rather than over what appears to be at least 23 years.

Or you're reading it upside-down, making it "06/" which would mean it was taken in June (much less surprising since it is now early July).
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