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More Nootropics: Racetams and Glycinergics

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Re: More Nootropics: Racetams and Glycinergics

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> The glycerinergics are those molecules that can bind to what is known as the 'glycine binding site' of a particular subset of stimulatory receptors (NMDA), and it seems that by stimulating this binding site the overall signalling is increased. 'Glycerinergics' has only one result on Google - this article. Even if we assume that they mean it in the same way as we talk about GABAergic or dopaminergic drugs the defini…

You do realize its talking about the neuron, not the synapse? They are quite different.

I mentioned neither the neuron or the synapse explicitly. I am fully aware of the differences between the two.

If you have a problem with my comments please expand and clearly state your issue. Also, I think it is pretty well accepted around here that you shouldn't reply to the same comment twice. Editing your previous comment to reflect your new thoughts would certainly have sufficed in this case.

Re: More Nootropics: Racetams and Glycinergics

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In every discussion I have seen of "smart drugs" (nootropics), what is conspicuously lacking is discussion of the actual smart deeds performed by the smart drug users. Self-reported n=1 anecdotes have not established a convincing case that any kind of nootropic actually does anyone any good in the real world. (Maybe I'll edit this comment some more below during its editing time window. Or perhaps this point is so evi…

Thank You. I look at this smart drug crap as a weird cultural thing to study. If smart drugs made people have better performance, you'd notice your coworkers outperforming you while grimacing down their powdered piracetam. The army would be using them. Doctors would be making statements.

Not really. Performance is far too subtle, subjective, and complex to judge on a linear scale. Poor performers often do well because they are lucky or good actors.

Having used racets at times, I can say they are definitely more than a weird cultural thing.

Re: More Nootropics: Racetams and Glycinergics

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I see a lot of people here experimenting with racetams.

I caution you to do extensive research on pubmed.gov and at least flip through a few pharmacology and neuroscience books, if you plan on long term use of said racetams. Wikipedia as a last resort or to refresh your knowledge.

They all have different properties and on rare occasions, could have completely opposite effects, depending on the person taking them and their genetic markup. A lot of them act on the glutamatergic pathways, and/or have more obscure/newly discovered methods of action.

For evidence, I offer 'Levetiracetam as monotherapy or add-on to valproate in the treatment of acute mania-a randomized open-label study.' at http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18369598 and conversly, 'Acute psychosis associated with levetiracetam.' http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12875956 or 'Levetiracetam: An Unusual Cause of Delirium.', at http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23782757

Levetiracetam was initially approved for seizure control. I hope you can see from the above mentioned papers that while it can also help someone 'calm down', it can bring another unfortunate person into a manic psychotic state.

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The best way to try a nootropic or a new medication for that matter, is to wean yourself off any other supplements and only try one at a time. You'll also need to have a good understanding of the Cytochrome P450, to be able to avoid enzyme induction or inhibition, if you plan to later on add other supplements to your regimen.

Especially if you will also be taking Rx medication.

You do not want to unknowingly overdose yourself with something or sabotage your 'treatment' by accidentally taking a product that happens to induce the enzyme complex metabolizing one of your other supplements or meds. A supplement or medication that also acts as an enzyme inducer will reduce the time spent in your system of the product's who's metabolism is controlled by said enzyme(s).

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To sum up, before putting stuff in your body, do your due diligence and be wary of relying on anecdotal reports of success with said supplements. Results WILL vary, because every body is unique.

Re: More Nootropics: Racetams and Glycinergics

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Accelerator program start engine (powered by Accenture) is backing UCLA Neuroscientists on the nourishment piece to brain fitness. Full disclosure, I’m on the team for the summer. Have a look at what we are doing at trubrain and I’ll bring on Dr. Andrew Hill to answer any Neurofeedback or nootropic question.

Re: More Nootropics: Racetams and Glycinergics

#35
Accelerator program start engine (powered by Accenture) is backing UCLA Neuroscientists on the nourishment piece to brain fitness. Full disclosure, I’m on the team for the summer. Have a look at what we are doing at trubrain and I’ll bring on Dr. Andrew Hill to answer any Neurofeedback or nootropic question.

Re: More Nootropics: Racetams and Glycinergics

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I have done some experiments with nootropics (namely adderal) as well, but failed to notice anything. I am a chain smoker, that could be the reason, I am not sure.

I failed to understand the basics behind this "cognitive enhancer" hype, lets say these stuff "really" works, then why we don't see those multi-billion pharmaceutical companies investing on them? If they would really worked, then I should already find all those pharmacy shops around me teeming with nootropics (assuming they have negligible side effects), right?

BTW, I am actually from south-east asia, here you can buy almost anything (except LSD etc.) without prescription, and we have dozens of pharmaceutical companies outsourcing drugs to the other side of the world. Moreover, if these companies could really come up with something real, then it could be an "instant hit" here.

Re: More Nootropics: Racetams and Glycinergics

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Anyone use nootropics and want to share their usage/experience?

I take Nootropil, 3200mg daily to help combat hypoxia damage from a bad habit I picked up about 20 years ago (smoking =). I can't say there are any noticeable effects of doing so that I wouldn't call placebo effects. I used to take a much larger, and more structured regimen, and found it very difficult to keep everything balanced, some things increased the consumption of ACH so much that I had to start taking choline…

3.2g/day of piracetam is quite a large dose.

If you are diagnosed by a doctor with a hypoxia-related condition, I would presume you are self-treating with piracetam, because I don't think it would have a great positive impact, unless your condition would be quite severe.

I suggest looking into pentoxifylline (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentoxifylline) and then re-evaluating your situation with a doctor and whether it would be ok for you to try it. I think you'd see more results with it rather than racetams, maybe except for levetiracetam, which would also require a prescription.

Also, pentoxifylline should probably be almost as cheap as generic piracetam; levetiracetam, even generic, is not however.

Do not take any of these Rx meds on your own, without consulting with a professional.

I know people generally hate going to the doctor, but in some cases they do help :) Think about all the advantages taking only 1 pill for your condition could have, instead of a whole stack, not to mention the financial savings.

Re: More Nootropics: Racetams and Glycinergics

#38

In every discussion I have seen of "smart drugs" (nootropics), what is conspicuously lacking is discussion of the actual smart deeds performed by the smart drug users. Self-reported n=1 anecdotes have not established a convincing case that any kind of nootropic actually does anyone any good in the real world. (Maybe I'll edit this comment some more below during its editing time window. Or perhaps this point is so evi…

There are, however, studies that show that racetams are not harmful. If you don't believe they work, give them a try for yourself. They work for some and not for others. Did you consult a double-blind study of caffeine before drinking your first cup of coffee? At what point does the plural anecdote at least refute the idea that racetams are just a placebo?

"racetams are not harmful. If you don't believe they work, give them a try for yourself"

I don't just want to downvote your post into invisibility, I even want it to be removed and you should have a temporary ban for this comment. You should feel ashame for promoting drugs like a dealer while you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about.

Re: More Nootropics: Racetams and Glycinergics

#39
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There is one really awesome supplement that is often overlooked. (Neuroscience is one of my main side-interests and apparently I've been living under a rock in regards to L-Theanine. Well studied, It has a very good safety profile, with no apparent side-effects even in high dosage. It's the reason why I've switched from coffee to green tea. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21040626 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubme…

L-Theanine is amazing stuff, it basically cuts a lot of the side effects away from caffeine and increases the positive effects of caffeine to boot. To get useful amounts of it I just take it separately whenever I consume a caffeinated beverage. 250mg-500mg suffices (technically you can dose it in relationship to how much caffeine you are dosing, but since there are no side effects to taking too much l-theanine, I jus…

Yeah diminishes the effect of any stimulants for that matter, so people on adderall and ritalin should be interested in this to battle inevitable events of insomnia. I usually dose about 200mg starting the day now, then basically based on the amount of Tea I consume throughout the day (and thus caffeine) dose about 200-400mg more right after diner along with a brew. But i'm quite lightweight, and for depression/anxiety higher doses are needed. It improves your REM sleep, promotes alpha-wave activity and stimulates dopamine production. Caenorhabditis elegans lived longer on it, and it even helps cQuring cancer..list goes on. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2774573/

Re: More Nootropics: Racetams and Glycinergics

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I take noopept 20mg daily sublingually or orally, and occasionally modafinil. Modafinil works really well for me (300/400mg keeping me awake and FOCUSED but not buzzing/twitchy) but worked poorly for my brother (no noticeable effect at similar dosage). Since taking noopept I have noticed more of a willingness and now desire to learn, something which was an issue in my past. It also seems to help me work for prolonged…

How do you obtain Modafinil?

It is vastly different from country to country. Check your country's laws first! check sites like http://www.longecity.org/forum/ or reddit's /r/nootropics for reliable suppliers.
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