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Noam Chomsky: Education is Ignorance (1995)

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Re: Noam Chomsky: Education is Ignorance (1995)

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I invoked Rothbard's Law.

"everyone specializes in what he is worst at"

Chomsky is no exception. For a brilliant linguist, he know little of economics. Chomsky is known to advocate anarcho-syndicalism, which seem to be "democratic"(Which I believe to percisely opposite to the anarchistic etho)

Re: Noam Chomsky: Education is Ignorance (1995)

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I passionately disagree that the intellectual must remain dispassionate. But what you are saying is in fact considered a rarely challenged truism in humanities departments. It is considered very distasteful for an academic to speak publicly about current events, politics, or really anything controversial. But I think, and I know there is a very strong anti-academic current here on HN, that the intellectual plays a si…

Being passionate != thinking you're right about everything.

Thinking you're right about one thing is more than enough.

Re: Noam Chomsky: Education is Ignorance (1995)

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You can listen to podcasts of Chomsky. His live talks help put this quote into context. He speaks often at Universities. Some of the questions he fields are kind of sad, and Chomsky is quite civil to the kids that basically want him to refute his own positions. If, on the other hand, you listen to his debate with Richard Perl, for example, you hear his opponent, clearly a public intellectual and a capable debater, take positions like: "we were right to blockade, bomb and terrorize. It is and was in the national interest." Does this help with perspective? I think an example like this can be to the point without being or becoming a tautology, though it is close. The kids sometimes don't seem to have benefitted from their embarrassment of riches in the field of education....

Re: Noam Chomsky: Education is Ignorance (1995)

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CHOMSKY: First of all, I'm usually fuming inside, so what you see on the outside isn't necessarily what's inside. But as far as questions, the only thing I ever get irritated about is elite intellectuals, the stuff they do I do find irritating. Oh, the irony

I don't trust a scientist who's "usually fuming inside". People who fume inside are people who are already pretty sure they're right about everything, which is not an appropriate disposition for a scholar.

Aside from the fact that you're isolating a quote out of context, I think you're wrong. I won't speak for Mr. Chomsky, but personally, I don't get angry with people because I'm pretty sure I'm right about everything (I know I'm not), but because I'm pretty sure that they're wrong. It's a very different reason, and I think it is wholly legitimate to be upset by people who are insistent about their ignorance and stupidity.

Re: Noam Chomsky: Education is Ignorance (1995)

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post #21

I invoked Rothbard's Law. "everyone specializes in what he is worst at" Chomsky is no exception. For a brilliant linguist, he know little of economics. Chomsky is known to advocate anarcho-syndicalism, which seem to be "democratic"(Which I believe to percisely opposite to the anarchistic etho)

Chomsky is known to advocate anarcho-syndicalism, which seem to be democratic (Which I believe to percisely opposite to the anarchistic etho)

Um, you know nothing about anarchism. The first person to call himself an anarchist was Pierre-Joseph Proudhon, whose most famous line is "property is theft". The first international was made up primarily of communists, led by Marx, and anarchists, led by Bakunin. Bakunin and the anarchists split from the international because they thought Marx's ideas would lead to totalitarianism. Bakunin's famous line is (paraphrasing):

"freedom without socialism is privilege and injustice, socialism without freedom is slavery and brutality"

Democratic may be the opposite of what you think of as anarchism, but what you think of as anarchism has no basis in history. You should probably choose a different word.

The anarchists who fought against Franco in the Spanish civil war, and who for a brief moment actually implemented anarchism in the real world, were explicitly anarcho-syndicalists.

Re: Noam Chomsky: Education is Ignorance (1995)

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I believe there is a "showdead" feature. Seriously, tho', Chomsky ? Would an Ann Coulter diatribe last as long?

I love the idea that Chomsky fills the Coulter niche for a certain audience.

> the Coulter niche for a certain audience

Michael Moore is the closest I could come up with. What makes Coulter unique is that she actively tries to offend liberals. I can't really think of anyone famous for trying to offend conservatives (although lots of people have become "almost famous" that way.)

Re: Noam Chomsky: Education is Ignorance (1995)

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post #21

I invoked Rothbard's Law. "everyone specializes in what he is worst at" Chomsky is no exception. For a brilliant linguist, he know little of economics. Chomsky is known to advocate anarcho-syndicalism, which seem to be "democratic"(Which I believe to percisely opposite to the anarchistic etho)

For a brilliant linguist, he know little of economics.

This is true, but he doesn't claim to know much about economics. He pretty explicitly doesn't care about economics. He's the De Morgan dual of right-wingers who care only about productivity growth and don't care at all about distribution issues.

Given that, everything he says about the popular (mis-)understanding of Adam Smith is true.

EDIT: take for example this hacker news thread ( http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=489024 ) where:

1. a guy posits Adam Smith's labor theory of value

2. gets told he should read Adam Smith to correct his mistaken ideas

3. quotes Adam Smith to back up his previous statement

4. gets told he's misinterpreting something

It's crazy really.

Re: Noam Chomsky: Education is Ignorance (1995)

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't trust a scientist who's "usually fuming inside". People who fume inside are people who are already pretty sure they're right about everything, which is not an appropriate disposition for a scholar.

"People who fume inside are people who are already pretty sure they're right about everything" How does that follow?

They're fuming because the rest of the word doesn't recognise that they're right.

Re: Noam Chomsky: Education is Ignorance (1995)

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post #21

I invoked Rothbard's Law. "everyone specializes in what he is worst at" Chomsky is no exception. For a brilliant linguist, he know little of economics. Chomsky is known to advocate anarcho-syndicalism, which seem to be "democratic"(Which I believe to percisely opposite to the anarchistic etho)

Chomsky is known to advocate anarcho-syndicalism, which seem to be democratic (Which I believe to percisely opposite to the anarchistic etho) Um, you know nothing about anarchism. The first person to call himself an anarchist was Pierre-Joseph Proudhon, whose most famous line is "property is theft". The first international was made up primarily of communists, led by Marx, and anarchists, led by Bakunin. Bakunin and t…

Um, Pierre-Jopesph Proundhourn also claim "property is freedom". I also derives my political heritage from indiviualist anarchists such as Lysander Spooner.

I know about the Spanish civil war and Proudhourn as well the socialist heritage of anarchism thank you very much!

The only thing anarchists of different stride have in common with each other is they accuse each other of being non-anarchists. Thus the attempt to define each other out of existence.

(I consider democracy evil because it is two wolf and one sheep deciding what to eat for dinner)

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