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Yasiin Bey (aka Mos Def) force-fed under standard Guantánamo Bay procedure

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Re: Yasiin Bey (aka Mos Def) force-fed under standard Guantánamo Bay procedure

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Post by bbwharris »

napoleoncomplex wrote: post #4

Guantanamo Bay is one of the most disgusting institutions in the "civilized world". How is this acceptable? Treating humans as garbage, no trial, just meat stored for torture. Every day this piece of shit prison is open is a god damn disgrace for the entire human race.

While I agree it is a disgrace, what do you plan to do with the detainees?

If they weren't "terrorists" before, they most likely are now. Think about it, that's the real problem.

I'm not defending it, I think it should be closed too.

These humans have been subjected to complete hell.

Re: Yasiin Bey (aka Mos Def) force-fed under standard Guantánamo Bay procedure

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Post by cabalamat »

bbwharris wrote: post #11
napoleoncomplex wrote: post #4

Guantanamo Bay is one of the most disgusting institutions in the "civilized world". How is this acceptable? Treating humans as garbage, no trial, just meat stored for torture. Every day this piece of shit prison is open is a god damn disgrace for the entire human race.

While I agree it is a disgrace, what do you plan to do with the detainees? If they weren't "terrorists" before, they most likely are now. Think about it, that's the real problem. I'm not defending it, I think it should be closed too. These humans have been subjected to complete hell.

If they want to die, why not jut let them?

Re: Yasiin Bey (aka Mos Def) force-fed under standard Guantánamo Bay procedure

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Post by StavrosK »

bbwharris wrote: post #11
napoleoncomplex wrote: post #4

Guantanamo Bay is one of the most disgusting institutions in the "civilized world". How is this acceptable? Treating humans as garbage, no trial, just meat stored for torture. Every day this piece of shit prison is open is a god damn disgrace for the entire human race.

While I agree it is a disgrace, what do you plan to do with the detainees? If they weren't "terrorists" before, they most likely are now. Think about it, that's the real problem. I'm not defending it, I think it should be closed too. These humans have been subjected to complete hell.

What else would you do with them, other than set them free?

"Oh I have this guy in my basement I've been torturing for four years, I can't let him go now because he's going to want to kill me".

Are you serious?

Re: Yasiin Bey (aka Mos Def) force-fed under standard Guantánamo Bay procedure

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Post by Amadou »

skore wrote: post #6
BellsOnSunday wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Next time vote for someone who definitely, honest-to-god promises to close it if they get in. Of course, you might have done that last time as well...

Indeed. Obama blaming congress today is, unfortunately, a case of plausible deniability.

I used to disagree with that sentiment, after all Congress did its best to stop the closure of Gitmo by not only blocking funding for the effort but also blocking the use of any pre-existing funds too.

But then I read this: http://www.salon.com/2012/07/23/the_obama_gitmo_myth/

PS - am I alone in confusing Mos Def with MOSFET for about a decade and completely mispronouncing (and misunderstanding) the guy's stage name?

Re: Yasiin Bey (aka Mos Def) force-fed under standard Guantánamo Bay procedure

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Post by rayiner »

napoleoncomplex wrote: post #4

Guantanamo Bay is one of the most disgusting institutions in the "civilized world". How is this acceptable? Treating humans as garbage, no trial, just meat stored for torture. Every day this piece of shit prison is open is a god damn disgrace for the entire human race.

Guantanamo has better conditions than most prisons. The "torture" happens elsewhere. You think a regular prison wouldn't engage in force feeding if prisoners went on hunger strike? See: http://wagingnonviolence.org/feature/guantanamo-is-not-an-an....

The problem with Guantanamo isn't the conditions. Its the legal limbo the prisoners are caught in.

Re: Yasiin Bey (aka Mos Def) force-fed under standard Guantánamo Bay procedure

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Post by PavlovsCat »

bbwharris wrote: post #11
napoleoncomplex wrote: post #4

Guantanamo Bay is one of the most disgusting institutions in the "civilized world". How is this acceptable? Treating humans as garbage, no trial, just meat stored for torture. Every day this piece of shit prison is open is a god damn disgrace for the entire human race.

While I agree it is a disgrace, what do you plan to do with the detainees? If they weren't "terrorists" before, they most likely are now. Think about it, that's the real problem. I'm not defending it, I think it should be closed too. These humans have been subjected to complete hell.

If they weren't "terrorists" before, they most likely are now. Think about it, that's the real problem.

You speak as if the rest of the world isn't noticing wtf is happening there, including the families of the detainees. As if these people being kept there wouldn't motivate a lot more people to become terrorists, than freeing them would.

This isn't even burning the village to save the village. This is nuking a whole hemisphere to turn off an alarm clock.

Re: Yasiin Bey (aka Mos Def) force-fed under standard Guantánamo Bay procedure

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Post by DanBC »

cabalamat wrote: post #13
bbwharris wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I agree it is a disgrace, what do you plan to do with the detainees? If they weren't "terrorists" before, they most likely are now. Think about it, that's the real problem. I'm not defending it, I think it should be closed too. These humans have been subjected to complete hell.

If they want to die, why not jut let them?

Taking innocent taxi drivers, subjecting them to the "gift of democracy" that is extraordinary rendition and torture while being detained without trial or charge is already an effective recruiting tool for terrorists.

Allowing the detainees to kill themselves turns them into martyrs, and becomes even more effective at turning people to violence.

Don't forget that this behaviour just shifts the curve of moderateness towards extremism a little bit, but that makes extremism easier. People are more likely to donate money to organisations that promote violence; people turn a blind eye when they find out someone is planning something; people share information even if they're not going to use it themself, "Anti-West" sentiment is more acceptable, and so on. This means that the small number of actual terrorists find it easier to work.

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