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"Just open-source it" is not realistic

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Re: "Just open-source it" is not realistic

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post #11

just want to point out: if the reason for holding it back is almost entirely because she wants to get paid for it, she should actually explain how open sourcing it excludes her from income. after reading it, it sounded like she was concerned about the sunk cost--which would be irrational. so I'm curious, how is she earning income from it? it does she know she'll find people to licence it?

Because, well, making it available for free means that fewer people will be compelled to buy it?

Re: "Just open-source it" is not realistic

#22
Regarding the money thing, remember there are other currencies than dollars.

When I open sourced my own RSS reader[1] some of the "non-monetary currencies" I received:

  * Several (non-robot) recruitment emails from well-known companies doing Ruby
  * Additional development time from strangers to fix things I wasn't interested in 
    doing (i18n, performance improvements)
  * Additional testing time to iron out all the bugs
  * 50-100 "qualified followers" (i.e. other developers/designers) on Twitter, many 
    thanking me for creating the project - increasing my network reach
  * Five people have sent me messages that their merged pull requests were there first 
    open source contributions - that feels really cool
  * Links from two of my favorite blogs - OneThingWell and The Changelog
  * Being referenced in a Ruby book written by a community leader
  * Socially-validated (1.8k+ stars) open source project that I can forever point to
  * Material for future blog posts, user group/conference talks
Not all of these have the same value to each person - but for me, they were worth the trade-off. Could I have charged for the software instead? Probably, but I have a day job that pays me well and I enjoy. I wrote the software because I wanted it to exist (one of my favorite things about being a developer) and any extra benefits are just icing on the cake.

[1]: https://github.com/swanson/stringer

Re: "Just open-source it" is not realistic

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post #11

just want to point out: if the reason for holding it back is almost entirely because she wants to get paid for it, she should actually explain how open sourcing it excludes her from income. after reading it, it sounded like she was concerned about the sunk cost--which would be irrational. so I'm curious, how is she earning income from it? it does she know she'll find people to licence it?

Because, well, making it available for free means that fewer people will be compelled to buy it?

and if no one is compelled to buy it to begin with? that's what I'm asking. I don't think we can just assume that someone would buy it.

Re: "Just open-source it" is not realistic

#25
I've found open source so liberating that I couldn't even consider closing down my source ever! For a while, for me, it's been morally wrong to close source code or rely on sources that's not within your reach.

"why should I compromise my own ability to license this and make some money from it?" It's the same reasons you don't do slaves anymore. This guy needs to figure out better business models because the ones she's trying to do are obsoleted.

Also it's not wonder that her Kickstarter failed, it sucked very hard. Big TL;DR with no marketting material that would motivate people to pick on it. Most of people who saw that thing probably had no idea what they could do with her project.

Re: "Just open-source it" is not realistic

#26
post #13

If you really want to keep building Fred, you could use something like IgnitionDeck ( http://ignitiondeck.com ) to raise money over a longer duration. We've had a lot of people come to us after successful and non-successful Kickstarters in order to keep the dream alive. Edit: I get it, blatant self-promotion. Look through my history and you'll see I rarely mention my company, and when I do, it's appropriate. In this…

I downvoted you - it is not the self-promotion, but rather the fact that except for mentioning "Fred", this whole comment reads like an auto-generated message. For example, an ancedote about a similar open source project that failed on kickstarter and found success on IgnitionDeck would probably be better received.

Re: "Just open-source it" is not realistic

#27
post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because, well, making it available for free means that fewer people will be compelled to buy it?

and if no one is compelled to buy it to begin with? that's what I'm asking. I don't think we can just assume that someone would buy it.

Sure, we can't, but if you open source it, you'll make strictly less money than if you hadn't (because if nobody was going to buy it, they aren't going to pay you money if you open source it anyway).

This is too simplified, as you can have other monetization models, but usually you don't open-source things if you want to charge for them.

Re: "Just open-source it" is not realistic

#28
post #2

Summary: "I might want to make money out of this, so... nope."

I think a more relevant question is, "Do you have a realistic plan for how you're going to generate revenue from this software in the next year or two?" If the answer isn't, "yes", then your prospect of ever making money out of the software is probably just wishful thinking.

Even if the software represents a significant investment, it's frequently easier to create wealth than it is to capture the value of that wealth. One big realization of the open source movement was that even if you can't capture the value of your software by selling it under proprietary terms, you can still derive value from it via indirect reciprocity by releasing it under a FOSS license.

Re: "Just open-source it" is not realistic

#29
post #26
post #13

If you really want to keep building Fred, you could use something like IgnitionDeck ( http://ignitiondeck.com ) to raise money over a longer duration. We've had a lot of people come to us after successful and non-successful Kickstarters in order to keep the dream alive. Edit: I get it, blatant self-promotion. Look through my history and you'll see I rarely mention my company, and when I do, it's appropriate. In this…

I downvoted you - it is not the self-promotion, but rather the fact that except for mentioning "Fred", this whole comment reads like an auto-generated message. For example, an ancedote about a similar open source project that failed on kickstarter and found success on IgnitionDeck would probably be better received.

That's fair enough, I appreciate the feedback.

Ironically, I avoided a lengthier comment because I worried it would seem fake.

Re: "Just open-source it" is not realistic

#30
post #10

"I might make myself look a bit messy by releasing this. I also imagine that some other people might have to put in some amount of work (much less than the work I put into writing this in the first place) to get this to work, so I'll make them rewrite it all from scratch if they are in need of this functionality." I don't believe this person understands empathy. I realize if you want your project to flourish as an op…

> However, a tarball of shit is better than NOTHING.

bzzzt! Wrong!

Releasing stuff that is "close enough" as a product and have it succeed is wasting other people's lives as they struggle to fix your ball of mud and make it work better over time.

Better to wait and not waste other people's time.

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