“Why did you shoot me? I was reading a book” • Hacker News Board

Re: “Why did you shoot me? I was reading a book”

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Post by seiji » Sun, Jul 07, 2013, 4:10 PM UTC

llamataboot wrote: post #15

Reposting this from the killed-dog-thread. It certainly won't help when the SWAT team is already in your home, but for the creeping sense of out of control cops everywhere: "Most of us carry video cameras in our pockets now. Filming police needs to become ubiquitous. There should be no police officer in the United States that doesn't know that at any time they could be being filmed and held accountable for their acti…

Is there a service to record live streams online (easily, cheap/free) from phones? The key is to send the live stream out for storage. Common "we'll sync after the video is recorded" services are no good if you get your phone destroyed half way through trying to record.

Re: “Why did you shoot me? I was reading a book”

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Post by Kylekramer » Sun, Jul 07, 2013, 4:12 PM UTC

akiselev wrote: post #55

tokenadult wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

3. Don't tell American citizens that their government abuses its power, or you'll be charged with espionage Point 3 is patently false. All of my Facebook friends, and I, regularly say that the United States government abuses its power, some from the right, some from the left, and many from a general freedom-loving perspective, and we all go on posting as we please. All of these statements are exaggerations. Many of t…

Oh yeah it's all much worse in other places. We're still "better" than all the dictatorships and authoritarian governments in the world, and that makes it all just fine and dandy. The only people losing sight of reality are the ones deluded into thinking that America/ns is/are immune to what appears to be a fundamental feature of power: corruption. By point 3 he meant actions by USG whistle blowers with access to cla…

There is a problem with broad statements like the grandparent comment. College students buy water everyday without trouble, people own guns without being harassed daily, people makes bets daily without any trouble, people make joking threats daily without incident. There is plenty bad going on without the need for exaggerations and outright lies.

If you want reality to change, you have to accept reality. Skewing it to the most sensationalistic interpretation only makes it easier to dismiss.

Re: “Why did you shoot me? I was reading a book”

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Post by seiji » Sun, Jul 07, 2013, 4:14 PM UTC

benihana wrote: post #16

wavefunction wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to take away from your message but you can just say "Native Americans" and leave the "Indian" part off. Otherwise I totally agree with your post.

This comment sums up what Hacker News has become perfectly. Front and center is the sentence correcting some slight, inconsequential anachronism that has nothing to do with the overall point of the comment and only serves to show the perceived intelligence of helpfulness of the commenter. Then there is a short sentence, more of an afterthought, addressing the point of the comment.

Well, have you met these people? It's common in work/life too. "You're smart and do good work, but stop being so pedantic and socially inept!"

You can't break out deep thinking from the surface layer aspie absent-social-mindedness. Just smile, accept them for what they are without pitying them, and keep making the world a better place together.

Re: “Why did you shoot me? I was reading a book”

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Post by ryguytilidie » Sun, Jul 07, 2013, 4:16 PM UTC

kdeberk wrote: post #11

To me it seems that there are a lot of issues at play that led to the death of this man, but temporarily ignoring the fact that it seems hypocritical for a state to both punish gamblers while promoting a state lottery, it appears necessary that SWAT teams are required to arrest people within their own homes given the fact that people are free to own weapons and use those for protection. I'm not saying that firearms n…

I don't know why the article didn't really discuss this, but if you know that there are armed gamblers inside and are worried that they will be a danger to you, why not just announce that you are outside, have the people come out and just wait? Storming through the door with weapons drawn SPECIFICALLY because you believe that they are armed is probably the worst piece of logic possible. You are basically causing deaths with negligence at this point. But there isn't really much of an incentive to change this process when you get to murder whatever civilian you want and take their stuff and know that even if they fight back, they will go to prison for a very very long time. I don't get why this is the way things work.

Re: “Why did you shoot me? I was reading a book”

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Post by leke » Sun, Jul 07, 2013, 4:17 PM UTC

Wow that was some article. If these kind of things happened in my country, I would get the fuck out of my country. Actually, I didn't like the way the UK was going, so when the opportunity came about, I moved.

Re: “Why did you shoot me? I was reading a book”

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Post by codyb » Sun, Jul 07, 2013, 4:17 PM UTC

wavefunction wrote: post #7

Again and again we see questionable or outright illegal police shootings of dogs and people and nothing ever comes of it. The responsible parties are never charged with manslaughter or even fired. I want to support the police, but the thin blue line bullshit has to stop! I get that police work is often dangerous but individuals that have shown poor judgement are retained on the force. That police officer that shot th…

The fact USPS receives training but our Police don't was astounding to me. "To serve and protect and kill you chihuahua if it barks at us wrong."

Re: “Why did you shoot me? I was reading a book”

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Post by maxerickson » Sun, Jul 07, 2013, 4:17 PM UTC

kdeberk wrote: post #49

maxerickson wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the crime involved is not violent and the suspect has no history of assaulting police officers (or perhaps any history of violent acts), it should basically be a criminal act for the police to initiate the use of force during the apprehension. You are making a huge leap from the presence of weapons to the use of violence against other people.

> If the crime involved is not violent and the suspect has no history of assaulting police officers (or perhaps any history of violent acts), it should basically be a criminal act for the police to initiate the use of force during the apprehension. I think I agree. > You are making a huge leap from the presence of weapons to the use of violence against other people. I think police officers has to put their lives on t…

Police in the U.S. carry high capacity semi-automatic pistols as a matter of course. I think they also frequently wear bullet proof vests on normal duty. Swat teams wear more armor and typically carry submachine guns that are capable of fully automatic fire.

Part of protecting people that do not have a history of violence is giving them the benefit of the doubt. Sure, there need to be lines drawn that allow the police to protect themselves, but anyone choosing to be a cop is going to be aware of the fact that they will occasionally be placed in dangerous situations.

Re: “Why did you shoot me? I was reading a book”

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Post by [deleted] » Sun, Jul 07, 2013, 4:18 PM UTC

kdeberk wrote: post #49

maxerickson wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the crime involved is not violent and the suspect has no history of assaulting police officers (or perhaps any history of violent acts), it should basically be a criminal act for the police to initiate the use of force during the apprehension. You are making a huge leap from the presence of weapons to the use of violence against other people.

> If the crime involved is not violent and the suspect has no history of assaulting police officers (or perhaps any history of violent acts), it should basically be a criminal act for the police to initiate the use of force during the apprehension. I think I agree. > You are making a huge leap from the presence of weapons to the use of violence against other people. I think police officers has to put their lives on t…

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Re: “Why did you shoot me? I was reading a book”

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Post by [deleted] » Sun, Jul 07, 2013, 4:19 PM UTC

codyb wrote: post #66

wavefunction wrote: post #7

Again and again we see questionable or outright illegal police shootings of dogs and people and nothing ever comes of it. The responsible parties are never charged with manslaughter or even fired. I want to support the police, but the thin blue line bullshit has to stop! I get that police work is often dangerous but individuals that have shown poor judgement are retained on the force. That police officer that shot th…

The fact USPS receives training but our Police don't was astounding to me. "To serve and protect and kill you chihuahua if it barks at us wrong."

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Re: “Why did you shoot me? I was reading a book”

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Post by Ziomislaw » Sun, Jul 07, 2013, 4:24 PM UTC

llamataboot wrote: post #15

Reposting this from the killed-dog-thread. It certainly won't help when the SWAT team is already in your home, but for the creeping sense of out of control cops everywhere: "Most of us carry video cameras in our pockets now. Filming police needs to become ubiquitous. There should be no police officer in the United States that doesn't know that at any time they could be being filmed and held accountable for their acti…

unless they see the camera and kill you for "espionage"