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Re: Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO

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post #134

I know this is exciting news and all, but: http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Hacker News Guidelines What to Submit On-Topic: Anything that good hackers would find interesting. That includes more than hacking and startups. If you had to reduce it to a sentence, the answer might be: anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity. Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they're…

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Re: Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO

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post #156

While we are looking at reasons why this crash happened it may be worthwhile to consider Malcolm Gladwell's suggestion in his book 'Outliers' that Korean cultural legacy, where the High Power Distance ratio between bosses (the pilot) and their underlings (such as the co-pilot) were responsible for a series of Korean Air crashes in the 1990s. "In addition to weather and pilot fatigue, he blames those crashes on crew m…

It's never worthwhile to spend much time pondering any of Malcom Gladwell's pseudo-scientific drivel.

Re: Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO

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post #134

I know this is exciting news and all, but: http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Hacker News Guidelines What to Submit On-Topic: Anything that good hackers would find interesting. That includes more than hacking and startups. If you had to reduce it to a sentence, the answer might be: anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity. Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they're…

I also used to complain about off-topic submissions reaching the front page, but doing so is also against the guidelines, so it's better just to flag them and move on. I know it seems like the flagging system is broken at times but I've been convinced that having arguments about it is just a waste of time.

Re: Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO

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post #156

While we are looking at reasons why this crash happened it may be worthwhile to consider Malcolm Gladwell's suggestion in his book 'Outliers' that Korean cultural legacy, where the High Power Distance ratio between bosses (the pilot) and their underlings (such as the co-pilot) were responsible for a series of Korean Air crashes in the 1990s. "In addition to weather and pilot fatigue, he blames those crashes on crew m…

Asian and Middle-eastern airlines have a huge number of expat pilots. Let's please let race and culture be speculations of last resort.

Taiwanese airlines (China Airlines) had a horrible safety record for a while, largely due to having mainly ex-military pilots from a culture of covering up deficiencies and hiding problems to save social standing and such. I would never fly on them as a result (they're probably better now).

OTOH, Evergreen/EVA Air has an awesome safety program and record, and is also Taiwanese. So, it's a cultural issue within specific airlines, not overall national culture. (Similarly, I think it was AirTran and a couple other LCCs in the US which had horrible safety culture, and Alaska has amazing safety culture.)

Re: Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO

#206
post #55

ATC audio from the crash http://wandr.me/Audio/AAR214-KSFO-Crash.mp3

I know they train for it, but the coolheaded professionalism there is remarkable - tower, other planes, all of them.

ATC operators must be the most underrated people in our transportation system.

Re: Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What I'm saying is that if you could use the aggregate cognitive surplus of the people trying to follow the event as it breaks, you could use that to create something cohesive and reliable. Then if you're not a news junkie and don't have any interest in following a story until it has settled down, you're welcome to do so. [edit] In response to the question above: So is your question why would somebody follow somethin…

It's not so much why do we follow something as it breaks - that's normal human curiosity/pattern hunger. But my question is how many people will do it consistently enough to be neutral, rather than because they're selectively interested in (but not necessarily informed about) a small set of stories. As I understand it this has been the problem for Wikinews - it can't function as well as Wikipedia because the number o…

That's an excellent question. Wikinews doesn't function as well, in my opinion, because Wikinews feels like work - the people I've talked to that use/create Wikinews say they do it out of a sense of civic responsibility; it's not enjoyable, and a lot of the time they say it feels like rewriting the New York Times (from the couple dozen I've talked to).

The solution, I think, is in making following the news as it breaks exciting/interesting enough the average person would contribute. Our solution for that was to show you all of the social media streaming from different sources streaming in real time related to the event, making it more like /r/new (Reddit) than wikinews. Watching everything stream in and sorting out the good stuff is exciting; it's easy to get a lot of neutral eyeballs on it.

Re: Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO

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post #204

Does this really need to be on HN? Just because it's in SFO? Everyone will already have heard about this on, I don't know, any other news channel

260 people thought yes, so it's up and staying there for a while

It never ceases to amaze me the number of people who just don't understand how a site like this works.

Re: Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO

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post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apparently the belief is if they don't talk constantly, the reality TV demographic (those influenced by commercials) won't watch. Actual information is not important, just dramatic syllables. Amazingly, Fox News is broadcasting a live feed of the scene, with no more audio than the helicopter itself: http://video.foxnews.com/v/1155606219001/

Check the lower third on CNN "Fire Chief: Fire Fighters went to work right away" I mean really? they did not stop for some in and out on the way to the scene?

One of my favorite CNN quotes from the day: "Video taken soon after the crash and posted on YouTube showed dark gray smoke rising from the plane, which appeared to be upright. That smoke later became white, even as fire crews continued to douse the plane."

Uh... that's what happens when you put water on fire... you get steam, which condenses into white clouds.

That's a basic rule of firefighting... black bad, white good (and when it comes to structural firefighting, brown really bad).

Re: Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO

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post #134

I know this is exciting news and all, but: http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Hacker News Guidelines What to Submit On-Topic: Anything that good hackers would find interesting. That includes more than hacking and startups. If you had to reduce it to a sentence, the answer might be: anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity. Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they're…

In watching how this news has been better (i.e. more acuratly and faster, and also rapidly self correcting) reported on HN then any other news source I'd have to say that HN itself is the relevant on topic idea that good hackers would find interesting. I do.

HN is better at news reporting and sifting. I'd like to know why and see if it could be reproduced for the larger public.

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