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Re: Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO

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While we are looking at reasons why this crash happened it may be worthwhile to consider Malcolm Gladwell's suggestion in his book 'Outliers' that Korean cultural legacy, where the High Power Distance ratio between bosses (the pilot) and their underlings (such as the co-pilot) were responsible for a series of Korean Air crashes in the 1990s. "In addition to weather and pilot fatigue, he blames those crashes on crew m…

It may be worthwhile to read a commercial pilots comments after reading Outliers: http://philip.greenspun.com/flying/foreign-airline-safety

(A more reasonable explanation that would have been uncovered with basic research is that foreign airline captains have less pilotmim command time.)

Re: Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO

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post #156

While we are looking at reasons why this crash happened it may be worthwhile to consider Malcolm Gladwell's suggestion in his book 'Outliers' that Korean cultural legacy, where the High Power Distance ratio between bosses (the pilot) and their underlings (such as the co-pilot) were responsible for a series of Korean Air crashes in the 1990s. "In addition to weather and pilot fatigue, he blames those crashes on crew m…

Asian and Middle-eastern airlines have a huge number of expat pilots.

Let's please let race and culture be speculations of last resort.

Re: Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO

#173

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Saying that I'm "excited" about a tragedy (I'll remove the word "potential" as so far at least two people have died) is unfair. You make it seem like I'm getting stoked that a plane crashed. I'm not trying to "hawk" anything, but am trying to help create a system that will help people understand the world around them in a better, more efficient way. If linking to it in this thread feels cheap then I apologize, but th…

Edit: scratch the original response here, I mixed your username up with another user's reply. Sorry about that. I still feel you shouldn't be promoting your website/news service in this thread, however.

Edit: Former comment retracted. I still disagree, but it's not worth discussing here. Carry on.

Re: Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO

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Point out that the fact that this is newsworthy underscores how rare of an occurrence it is.

My friend with flight anxiety actually got it from researching airplane safety. While they did learn about probabilities n'all, they also learned about way too many details, after which every single sound seems like the oscillating electron pump failure on Molvania flight 52317 where nobody survived the spontaneous atmosphere exit. It's not exactly rational, it's your silly brain suddenly deciding the specific probab…

I would recommend trying private airplane lessons (on a calm day) Being in control of an airplane helps a lot, and that feeling may transfer to commercial flights.

Re: Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO

#175
post #134

I know this is exciting news and all, but: http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Hacker News Guidelines What to Submit On-Topic: Anything that good hackers would find interesting. That includes more than hacking and startups. If you had to reduce it to a sentence, the answer might be: anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity. Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they're…

From what I saw it impacted before the runway. This brings back memories of the British Airways 777 that came down early due to loss of power to both engines (Speedbird 38, Beijing to London). The cause of that was ice blocking the fuel filters which starved both engines. The thing to check here was what altitude the plane was flying at for most of the flight, and what temperature it was at that altitude along the fl…

That icing issue has since been fixed and so is irrelevant to this crash (according to CNN).

Re: Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO

#177
post #137

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The bottlenecks in their escape were the doorway and the crew's deployment of the inflatable slide. Rushing the door in a panic would have done nobody any good. In a situation like that, why wouldn't you grab your bag if it was readily accessible? It seems like healthy, rational behavior rather than a symptom of extreme confusion.

Also, since it's an international flight, people's travel papers are likely in their backpacks, etc. If you take the time to grab your backpack, you may as well grab whatever else before you head out.

I wonder if they refuse ingress to the USA based on lack of documentation in these cases.

Re: Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO

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High quality close up photo from https://path.com/p/1lwrZb : https://pathakacdn-a.akamaihd.net/photos2/f36a5729-6db7-40db...

I can't imagine the confusion that must have gone on when that happened, maybe it's shock or maybe people just underestimate the severity of their situation but correct me if I'm wrong... are there people in that photo actually carrying their bags off the plane? I can't quite comprehend that.

If you're in a plane crash, you're trying to evacuate, and the guy ahead of you is trying to grab his carry-on and the bottles of wine he bought in France before exiting, I am pretty sure it's perfectly OK to punch him in the face.

Re: Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO

#179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Point out that the fact that this is newsworthy underscores how rare of an occurrence it is.

My friend with flight anxiety actually got it from researching airplane safety. While they did learn about probabilities n'all, they also learned about way too many details, after which every single sound seems like the oscillating electron pump failure on Molvania flight 52317 where nobody survived the spontaneous atmosphere exit. It's not exactly rational, it's your silly brain suddenly deciding the specific probab…

I remind myself that the vast majority of people who fly and steward planes all day, every day, live to a ripe old age.

Re: Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO

#180
post #136

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Apparently, it is fairly normal behavior; people activate a "leave plane" program. Having only one, they pick the one involving grabbing one's luggage before getting out of the plane. (Sorry, can't find a reference. Most hits I get are either on emergency reaction/response by outside teams or on long-term emergency responses such as PTSD, community reactions, etc)

I remember seeing a car accident once, a young guy in a mustang T-Boned a mini-van driven by a mother with an infant passenger. A moment after the accident, the woman got out of the minivan, walked around to the other side to open the working side door, grabbed her purse, and then calmly walked to the shoulder to wait for police. It was only after anybody asked her if there was anybody else in the vehicle that she re…

I was in a very, very bad accident at 16. I pulled myself out by the steering wheel (I was in the front passenger seat) and walked over to the other vehicle to ask if everyone was okay, before finding out that I was severely injured myself. The other driver kept telling me I should really sit down, and I couldn't comprehend why he'd be saying that when I felt perfectly fine.

The brain is quite incredible at blocking out bad things.

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