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The passengers exiting with wheeled luggage are a much bigger problem.
Seriously. If you are ever posed with a situation where you must evacuate an aircraft, then GTFO and just leave your bags onboard. Do not do anything that could impede others' egress. You can get new stuff later, and the airline is likely to compensate you anyway (case in point, within days after US Air 1549 landed in the Hudson, the airline cut checks to the passengers to compensate for irretrievable belongings). Yo…
Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO
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#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
I can't imagine the confusion that must have gone on when that happened, maybe it's shock or maybe people just underestimate the severity of their situation but correct me if I'm wrong... are there people in that photo actually carrying their bags off the plane? I can't quite comprehend that.
The bottlenecks in their escape were the doorway and the crew's deployment of the inflatable slide. Rushing the door in a panic would have done nobody any good. In a situation like that, why wouldn't you grab your bag if it was readily accessible? It seems like healthy, rational behavior rather than a symptom of extreme confusion.
No one's suggesting this. You can both leave the plane in a calm manner and leave your bags behind. As far as I'm concerned, there's no good reason to take your bag unless it's actively obstructing the way out -- which, in fairness, could well be what's happened here.
Off-hand, some reasons not to: the aisles have limited capacity, and more bags in the aisles mean fewer people can be queueing ready to get off. It will take longer to figure out how to use the slide if you want to go down it with your bag, especially if the bag is heavy or large. The bag might have sharp corners which could damage the slide (if I remember rightly, people are advised to remove sharp-heeled shoes for this reason).
Seconds count in situations like this. I think people have taken the "keep calm" message to heart and, if anything, need to be taught to treat this kind of thing more seriously. The reason I mention this is that I'm reminded of the bystander effect:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bystander_effect#Emergency_vers...
e.g.
> The students were placed in a room-either alone, with two strangers or with three strangers to complete a questionnaire while they waited for the experimenter to return. While they were completing the questionnaire smoke was pumped into the room through a wall vent to simulate an emergency. When students were working alone they noticed the smoke almost immediately (within 5 seconds). However, students that were working in groups took longer (up to 20 seconds) to notice the smoke.
These peoples lives could have been in imminent danger, but they might waste precious seconds to leaving the plane because of social pressures (e.g. someone sees one person taking their bag, so thinks it's okay to do so themselves, or subconsciously thinks the situation is not that serious).
People should keep calm, but they should also know to treat the situation as it is -- an emergency. But as I say, this is all speculation, and may not be relevant at all in this specific instance. I just hope everyone's okay.
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#114ATC audio from the crash http://wandr.me/Audio/AAR214-KSFO-Crash.mp3
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#116Everyone will already have heard about this on, I don't know, any other news channel
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KTVU is providing amazingly sensationalist coverage. I guess I do not watch enough video news to be use to seeing it. Just wild assumptions and implied details.
Apparently the belief is if they don't talk constantly, the reality TV demographic (those influenced by commercials) won't watch. Actual information is not important, just dramatic syllables. Amazingly, Fox News is broadcasting a live feed of the scene, with no more audio than the helicopter itself: http://video.foxnews.com/v/1155606219001/
It was kinda funny (despite the seriousness of the situation), when they were already full blasting the flight regulations and pilots on how irresponsible they were, when the second plane (that crashed on the second tower) entered the screen, and the anchor (that is the most famous anchor in Brazil) went: "LOOK AT HOW LOW THEY FLY, THAT IS..." and the plane crashes on the tower, and the reporter clearly go on full-confused mode, specially because it probably downed to him that he was speaking shit until now.
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The problem is when you have reports stating that the plane flipped over when that clearly did not happen. Crowd sourced news will not always be accurate, and can also lead to crowd based vigilantism such as happened during the Boston attack and the aftermath on Reddit. While traditional media often relies on sensationalism and also use these same sources of information during broadcast, this is not an ideal method e…
Also, it's worth noting that mainstream media was reporting the plane had flipped over as well, so misinformation isn't solved by the current solutions.
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#119Ugh...my wife is deathly afraid of flying. She is in Canada now and flying back to SFO next week. I hope she doesn't hear about this.
Point out that the fact that this is newsworthy underscores how rare of an occurrence it is.
It’s possible to have a complete and rational understanding of the situation and still feel fear. That, at least, frequently happens to me.
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#120If it turns out it was a mechanical failure, and not pilot error we should credit them for a successful crash landing.