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Re: Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO

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What's he going to do? Trained professionals are taking care of the evacuation, and if he tries to "help", he will just get in the way. Sometimes there really is nothing you can do. This is not to be confused with a case where nobody is doing anything and everybody is just watching.

Re: Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO

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I feel the same way but a) almost any civvies would not be able to help, b) there would be more people for emergency response to worry about, and c) families/friends would be worried sick and, unable to call, would be looking for any signs/info ASAP.

Re: Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO

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post #33

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Awesome reporting! Seriously, good job. I honestly believe that a collection of sources like this is the future of news; allow people to draw their own conclusions based on the first-hand content you can collect. Shameless plug: OK, that's actually what I've been building for a few months. We had to break it to finish building it (sorry, or i'd just show you), but our launchrock page is at http://grasswire.com if you…

I'm not sure I agree. From those first pictures I saw (charred plane) I drew my own conclusion that a large number of people must have died. From the latest reports, it appears I was wrong. Sometimes we don't know enough to make meaningful conclusions without experts weighing in. Not to mention bias- first hand accounts are rarely impartial. In this instance there aren't any "sides" to take, but I'd bet that most of…

That's fair, but I think I still disagree. If you are only looking at one source, sure, it can be confusing, but if you have a good collection of all of the first-hand sources really you are able to draw the same conclusion that any reporter might be able to. Right now we have basically outsourced the job of drawing conclusions from opinionated people to reporters. Given the right information I believe every person could do that.

But I recognize that's not a belief held by many people. I've just been able to watch all of the reports come in for a while and feel like that's enough, if not better.

Re: Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO

#45
post #8

Why is this HN relevant ?

This is HN relevant because it is SF airport but also because when a story is breaking its pretty cool to watch people gather the information and report it, especially HN'ers. Helps give our community a personality. Stories like these don't stay at the top for very long, but while its breaking news I feel like HN has a unique way of reporting and that makes it HN relevant.

Re: Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO

#46
post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Awesome reporting! Seriously, good job. I honestly believe that a collection of sources like this is the future of news; allow people to draw their own conclusions based on the first-hand content you can collect. Shameless plug: OK, that's actually what I've been building for a few months. We had to break it to finish building it (sorry, or i'd just show you), but our launchrock page is at http://grasswire.com if you…

I'm not sure I agree. From those first pictures I saw (charred plane) I drew my own conclusion that a large number of people must have died. From the latest reports, it appears I was wrong. Sometimes we don't know enough to make meaningful conclusions without experts weighing in. Not to mention bias- first hand accounts are rarely impartial. In this instance there aren't any "sides" to take, but I'd bet that most of…

It's true that our first hastily-drawn conclusions from not enough facts are mostly wrong, but I will say this: it's fascinating and for me, thrilling, to watch the truth about big events coalesce in real time as primary, grassroots-sources get compiled (and fact-checked!).

Re: Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO

#47
post #29

High quality close up photo from https://path.com/p/1lwrZb : https://pathakacdn-a.akamaihd.net/photos2/f36a5729-6db7-40db...

What a phenomenal photo and speed of information. People are still exiting with their bags in hand, incredible. THIS is one of those moments when you realize how social media and mobile devices have changed the world.

Re: Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO

#49
post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure I agree. From those first pictures I saw (charred plane) I drew my own conclusion that a large number of people must have died. From the latest reports, it appears I was wrong. Sometimes we don't know enough to make meaningful conclusions without experts weighing in. Not to mention bias- first hand accounts are rarely impartial. In this instance there aren't any "sides" to take, but I'd bet that most of…

That's fair, but I think I still disagree. If you are only looking at one source, sure, it can be confusing, but if you have a good collection of all of the first-hand sources really you are able to draw the same conclusion that any reporter might be able to. Right now we have basically outsourced the job of drawing conclusions from opinionated people to reporters. Given the right information I believe every person c…

If you are only looking at one source, sure, it can be confusing, but if you have a good collection of all of the first-hand sources really you are able to draw the same conclusion that any reporter might be able to.

Not if you were a reporter on the ground. If you have multiple biased sources you can't get an unbiased view without squinting and inferring things you don't know.

I don't disagree that with the "right" information, people can make good conclusions. I just think that it's very rare for the "right" information to be available. This is an example of where it's more likely, as there is no "pro-crash" story to tell. That isn't the case with almost any politically sensitive story, though.

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