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Re: FBI Document: [DELETED] had "plan to kill local Occupy leaders via sniper fire"

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Post by anigbrowl »

Sharlin wrote: post #72
smsm42 wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a pretty big gap between dissent and blowing people up on the streets. So let's not engage in false equivalency.

The grandparent didn't do that. His/her point was that governments do .

But Governments are neither homogenous nor monolithic. Saying 'Governments do X' is like saying 'corporations are at the root of all our problems.' Reason along those lines, and pretty soon the only rational choice is to become a hermit and avoid society entirely. After all, society is made up of people, and people are well-known to engage in murder, rape, robbery, etc. etc. Therefore, people are the problem.

Re: FBI Document: [DELETED] had "plan to kill local Occupy leaders via sniper fire"

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Post by drunkenmasta »

grey-area wrote: post #31

It's hard to know what to make of this as without the [DELETED] portions, as there's no evidence of government agencies being involved. I'm not sure why Occupy were not informed of such a plot though? Perhaps the FBI didn't think it was credible? The part that worries me even more than the death threats was the classification of the Occupy movement as 'terrorist activity'. This opens them up to a whole catalogue of s…

Interesting that a story like this should come out when groups are planning to protest over the NSA. Coincidence?

Re: FBI Document: [DELETED] had "plan to kill local Occupy leaders via sniper fire"

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Post by anigbrowl »

adventured wrote: post #62
fusiongyro wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please knock it off. This isn't the right forum for undirected political raving.

That nick appears solely dedicated to douchebaggery. It's not political raving, it's targeted at making fun of the members posting here.

It got an upvote from me because there has been an awful lot of windy political rhetoric around here lately, accompanied by a fair degree of personal invective.

Re: FBI Document: [DELETED] had "plan to kill local Occupy leaders via sniper fire"

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Post by grwkmewrlemw »

anigbrowl wrote: post #81
Sharlin wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The grandparent didn't do that. His/her point was that governments do .

But Governments are neither homogenous nor monolithic. Saying 'Governments do X' is like saying 'corporations are at the root of all our problems.' Reason along those lines, and pretty soon the only rational choice is to become a hermit and avoid society entirely. After all, society is made up of people, and people are well-known to engage in murder, rape, robbery, etc. etc. Therefore, people are the problem.

If someone is engaging in murder, rape or robbery, it would make sense to call attention to this fact, and then perhaps do something about it, wouldn't it? Parts of the US government are CURRENTLY misusing the word "terrorist" as a very broad label. This is very dangerous for the reasons discussed above. It's important to call attention to this problem if we have any hope of halting it.

Re: FBI Document: [DELETED] had "plan to kill local Occupy leaders via sniper fire"

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Post by samscully »

davidjohnstone wrote: post #75
zanny wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Terrorist is todays communist, or yesteryears fascist, eugenicist, jap, negro, etc. Blanket arbitrary term to apply to dissenters you want to control and treat inhumanely, and society doesn't judge you for it because they are the "enemy" or "other". It incites an emotional response in people that let those holding the pen get away with way more than they should.

Slightly tangential, but I'm pretty sure eugenicists were never thought of in the same way as communists et al. In the US, eugenics was an important idea in the Progressive Era of the late nineteenth/early twentieth century, and while it wasn't universally liked (the Catholic church being a notable opponent), it did have broad social approval and at least a few countries practiced eugenics in some form. This all chan…

Abortion of a foetus with an identifiable disability is considered acceptable today by many people, which is similar in spirit if not in practice to eugenics.

Re: FBI Document: [DELETED] had "plan to kill local Occupy leaders via sniper fire"

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Post by jlgreco »

brymaster wrote: post #38
cjambassador318 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well everyone that's not a sheeple knows that tptacek is a shill for the government. Given that tptacek is a shill for the US government and the US is literally Nazi Germany, it's safe to ignore tptacek. Please continue to make valuable contributions to this community, brymaster.

> created: 23 minutes ago Yeah, nice try tptacek. Continue the psyops :)

"cjambassador" means, presumably, "circle jerk ambassador".

Some sort of idiotic form of hyperbolic satire from reddit which does nothing but cause strife and shut down discussion. I thought this guy was hellbanned yesterday.

Re: FBI Document: [DELETED] had "plan to kill local Occupy leaders via sniper fire"

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Post by moomin »

samscully wrote: post #85
davidjohnstone wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Slightly tangential, but I'm pretty sure eugenicists were never thought of in the same way as communists et al. In the US, eugenics was an important idea in the Progressive Era of the late nineteenth/early twentieth century, and while it wasn't universally liked (the Catholic church being a notable opponent), it did have broad social approval and at least a few countries practiced eugenics in some form. This all chan…

Abortion of a foetus with an identifiable disability is considered acceptable today by many people, which is similar in spirit if not in practice to eugenics.

I'm sorry, but no. There's no equivalence in spirit between a crying mother deciding that it's in the best interests of her family to terminate a pregnancy and a bunch of scary-eyed fanatics trying to make humanity "better".

I'm assuming you've never known anyone go through that. It's a personal tragedy, not an intellectual issue.

Re: FBI Document: [DELETED] had "plan to kill local Occupy leaders via sniper fire"

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Post by alan_cx »

smsm42 wrote: post #77
Sharlin wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The grandparent didn't do that. His/her point was that governments do .

Governments can lie. But terrorist is not an arbitrary term to stifle dissent - it is a specific and identifiable tactic used to achieve certain goals. If somebody says black is white, it doesn't mean black and white are arbitrary labels that can be applied to anything. That's the false dichotomy that is offered to us.

Terrorist is an arbitrary term used to stifle dissent and demonide an opposition. One could use the term "freedom fighter" in it place and suddenly it has a whole new moral meaning.

We Brits know this well, as we referred to the IRA terrorists, while many Americans and Irish called them freedom fighters, while funding them.

Perhaps consider this when Nelson Mandela dies. A man who for years was considered a terrorist, but is now almost universally considered a freedom fighter.

Note: I have mode no moral judgement about either the IRA or Nelson Mandela.

The falseness is this is in the application of morality labels. "Terrorist" implies something wrong and evil. Freedom Fighter implies nobility. Both are people using violence to achieve political aims. Much like the US does. Which means many world wide have every right to consider the US a terrorist state, since that terror is by a democratically elected government.

Re: FBI Document: [DELETED] had "plan to kill local Occupy leaders via sniper fire"

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Post by leke »

tlrobinson wrote: post #22

The question is who is [DELETED] and what would their motive be? Killing Occupy "leaders" seems like the absolute worst way to make the Occupy problem go away. Can you even imagine the outrage? The only way it could possibly be successful is by making it clear that if you protest you will be killed, and I like to think we're still pretty damn far from complete totalitarianism.

The question is, why haven't [DELETED] been thrown in prison for many years? Especially after those gamers got long sentences for posting a "jk" comment in a chat room.

Re: FBI Document: [DELETED] had "plan to kill local Occupy leaders via sniper fire"

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Post by duiker101 »

leke wrote: post #89
tlrobinson wrote: post #22

The question is who is [DELETED] and what would their motive be? Killing Occupy "leaders" seems like the absolute worst way to make the Occupy problem go away. Can you even imagine the outrage? The only way it could possibly be successful is by making it clear that if you protest you will be killed, and I like to think we're still pretty damn far from complete totalitarianism.

The question is, why haven't [DELETED] been thrown in prison for many years? Especially after those gamers got long sentences for posting a "jk" comment in a chat room.

I think the question should be in first instance, why did those gamers got long sentences for posting a "jk" comment in a chat room?
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