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Re: Python Tools for Visual Studio

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Post by devcpp »

loudmax wrote: post #43
jroseattle wrote: post #42

For me, Msft and JetBrains provide the best IDEs for getting work done. The majority of my work is in Java, C#, and Python. At the moment, I use PyCharm for python projects because I'm usually working on OSX (and prefer the local unix-y environment instead of the Windows-virtual-machine thing.) However, I started with PTVS years ago and really like it. MSFT adding IDE support for Python is a good thing -- as develope…

MSFT porting VS to Mac and Linux would give developers even more options.

...which would be detrimental to Microsoft. Limiting our options to theirs is precisely their goal by giving us a great IDE that only works on Windows.

They're never gonna go it. They stand to win nothing from that.

Re: Python Tools for Visual Studio

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Post by jaegerpicker »

I love Visual Studio but after having worked with python quite a lot and being involved in the local developer community (IN NEOhio, NYC, and starting into Southern Maine) I think I've only ever meet two python developers who used windows as there development Os. I'm not holding my breath but if MS would port VS to OS X/Linux it would be really cool. I don't know that a good business case could be made for it though.

Re: Python Tools for Visual Studio

#54

Post by thwest »

winter_blue wrote: post #35
tonyplee wrote: post #33

Just Vi or Vim for me. Used VS, VB, Eclips years back, but now back to Vi/Vim for embedded and server environment. Have not missed any of IDE features at all.

What languages do you work with? Simple things like being able to jump to the definition of a function with a press of a button (esp. when working with a large unfamiliar code base) are indispensable for me.

grep is nice. its gnarly in template heavy c++, but so are all the tools. intellisense can't reliably provide navigation among all of the possible instantiations in your project.

(esc;qgrep -rn thing .) is faster for me than reaching for the mouse.

Re: Python Tools for Visual Studio

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Post by orng »

jaegerpicker wrote: post #52

I love Visual Studio but after having worked with python quite a lot and being involved in the local developer community (IN NEOhio, NYC, and starting into Southern Maine) I think I've only ever meet two python developers who used windows as there development Os. I'm not holding my breath but if MS would port VS to OS X/Linux it would be really cool. I don't know that a good business case could be made for it though.

On the other hand perhaps something could be done about Python so that we who are forced to develop Python on Windows stop being second-class citizens in the Python world?

ButI agree. VS is an awesome IDE and the more operating systems it would be available on the better.

Re: Python Tools for Visual Studio

#57

Post by MichaelGG »

tonyplee wrote: post #33

Just Vi or Vim for me. Used VS, VB, Eclips years back, but now back to Vi/Vim for embedded and server environment. Have not missed any of IDE features at all.

Why not both? http://www.viemu.com/

Get all the editing capabilities of Vim, but don't lose integrated debugging, code completion, code nav, type info popups, etc. that an IDE provides.

Re: Python Tools for Visual Studio

#58

Post by sosuke »

devcpp wrote: post #51
loudmax wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

MSFT porting VS to Mac and Linux would give developers even more options.

...which would be detrimental to Microsoft. Limiting our options to theirs is precisely their goal by giving us a great IDE that only works on Windows. They're never gonna go it. They stand to win nothing from that.

I dunno, I might just be cost prohibitive to port, and likely wouldn't run as well.

Re: Python Tools for Visual Studio

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Post by agentultra »

winter_blue wrote: post #35
tonyplee wrote: post #33

Just Vi or Vim for me. Used VS, VB, Eclips years back, but now back to Vi/Vim for embedded and server environment. Have not missed any of IDE features at all.

What languages do you work with? Simple things like being able to jump to the definition of a function with a press of a button (esp. when working with a large unfamiliar code base) are indispensable for me.

There's ctags/etags/etc; vim and emacs and many other editors support them well.

Re: Python Tools for Visual Studio

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Post by xradionut »

orng wrote: post #56
jaegerpicker wrote: post #52

I love Visual Studio but after having worked with python quite a lot and being involved in the local developer community (IN NEOhio, NYC, and starting into Southern Maine) I think I've only ever meet two python developers who used windows as there development Os. I'm not holding my breath but if MS would port VS to OS X/Linux it would be really cool. I don't know that a good business case could be made for it though.

On the other hand perhaps something could be done about Python so that we who are forced to develop Python on Windows stop being second-class citizens in the Python world? ButI agree. VS is an awesome IDE and the more operating systems it would be available on the better.

You are fighting various other teams in Redmond/power users that have issues with OSS and technology that's cross platform and not from the Mothership. Python/Iron Python would have been a great default language for administrative scripting , but nope, they had to reinvent the wheel with PowerShell.

(I've had MVPs yell at me for discussing data analysis with Python, even on Windows.)

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