Time to ditch the climate consensus
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Time to ditch the climate consensus
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Re: Time to ditch the climate consensus
#2A plea for reasoned discourse and the end of the politicization of science by the left. Excellent article on the quality of the discussion of climate issues. The climate change debate itself, I know, has been done to death here. But I still think that the quality of the discussion, the role of politics in science and vice-versa, are important issues regardless of whether the topic is climate change or not.
Re: Time to ditch the climate consensus
#3FFS. Colour me the stereotypical bad guy in that steaming pile of an article.
Re: Time to ditch the climate consensus
#4Any time that you hear someone say, "we need to get beyond debate and act," it usually means they are no longer willing to listen to others and they just want to implement their solution.
Re: Time to ditch the climate consensus
#5A plea for reasoned discourse and the end of the politicization of science by the left. Excellent article on the quality of the discussion of climate issues. The climate change debate itself, I know, has been done to death here. But I still think that the quality of the discussion, the role of politics in science and vice-versa, are important issues regardless of whether the topic is climate change or not.
Because when a crisis strikes, it's the bankers and derivative traders we really need to here from. Now, you scientists, you need to go out and do something useful. Go shopping.
Re: Time to ditch the climate consensus
#6A plea for reasoned discourse and the end of the politicization of science by the left. Excellent article on the quality of the discussion of climate issues. The climate change debate itself, I know, has been done to death here. But I still think that the quality of the discussion, the role of politics in science and vice-versa, are important issues regardless of whether the topic is climate change or not.
Because when a crisis strikes, it's the bankers and derivative traders we really need to here from. Now, you scientists, you need to go out and do something useful. Go shopping.
How about just doing science? Seemed to work just fine for hundreds of years.
Re: Time to ditch the climate consensus
#7It should be more often observed that the only reason we see this call for consenus (and opposition) is that they demand government action.
This is a very statist mindset, and that grinding sound you hear is statism running up against science.
In other scientific matters (e.g. If string theory is real) you don't get empassioned pleas for one side.
Environmentalists would do more good by abandoning statism and focusing on private action.
There is nothing stopping people from supporting research into alternative energy themselves. Farmers could be paid by private citizens to slow burn their biomass turning it into stable sequesterable charcoal. The roofs of private buildings could be painted white.
Once those that care about the issue realize their methods and not necessrily their ideas are why they get a lot of resistence, more people will come to their side.
Re: Time to ditch the climate consensus
#8Any time that you hear someone say, "we need to get beyond debate and act," it usually means they are no longer willing to listen to others and they just want to implement their solution.
Indeed, but that's the nature of people. Equally in the nature of people is to debate round and round in circles until it's too late.
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#9I don't understand why you would argue against using facts as the basis for debate. We're not giving proper weight to people's spiritual beliefs related to climate change?
"Don't use science to get around politics" sounds like a joke. I mean, really?
"...their ultimate authority is a report from a group of scientists, and they’re saying ‘this is where we stand, forget about our moral concerns, forget about our ethical positions, ... forget about whether we are Christians or Buddists, no, none of that matters.’ The only thing that matters is that they’re holding a report from peer-reviewed science that in itself justifies their position. And it’s not just protesters who are hiding behind the authority of science. World leaders are doing it, too."
What?!
[sorry for the long quote, i'm working myself up :)]
Maybe it's a joke, and it's just too early for me to get it.
Re: Time to ditch the climate consensus
#10Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because when a crisis strikes, it's the bankers and derivative traders we really need to here from. Now, you scientists, you need to go out and do something useful. Go shopping.
How about just doing science? Seemed to work just fine for hundreds of years.
But has this ever truly happened?
Even if we go back all the way to Archimedes, we'll find his science intertwined with warfare, ship building, public works and various other 'statist' concerns.
Or take Galileo - surely not just doing science. Darwin. Manhattan Project, and the subsequent roles of various people like Oppenheimer, von Neumann, and Edward Teller. Nazis eliminating 'Jew Science'. Or for example Carl Sagan's comments about sources of funding for physics (so heavily military and 'statist') and their effect on the science.
I think this idea of pure science in isolation is an idealization that does not happen in practice.