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Re: Python Tools for Visual Studio

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Post by euroclydon » Tue, Jul 02, 2013, 2:41 PM UTC

drawkbox wrote: post #12

stevoski wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Try PyCharm. It works on Mac and Windows and is miles ahead of XCode for Python.

Haven't tried it yet, might give it a try. The debugging looks cool and even Guido seems to think it has some benefits: https://profiles.google.com/115212051037621986145/buzz/CGh9M... - note he mentions painful SCM integration, as usual in IDEs that just doesn't work well. SCM support I usually turn off as it adds iteration lag typically. Prefer the scm tools directly almost always.

I keep SourceTree, by the same company, running while I'm working in PyCharm, and it picks up all the changes nicely. It has been my crutch in becoming competent using Git.

Re: Python Tools for Visual Studio

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Post by stinos » Tue, Jul 02, 2013, 2:51 PM UTC

CurtHagenlocher wrote: post #9

This doesn't even mention the most awesome feature of PTVS 2.0: mixed-mode debugging, which provides an integrated experience for debugging mixed Python/C processes. See https://pytools.codeplex.com/wikipage?title=Mixed-mode%20deb... for details. Disclaimer: I used to work on IronPython.

Afaik that's exactly what the first all-in-your-face picture is showing? And man that is seriously awesome indeed.

Re: Python Tools for Visual Studio

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Post by ryanmolden » Tue, Jul 02, 2013, 2:51 PM UTC

CurtHagenlocher wrote: post #9

This doesn't even mention the most awesome feature of PTVS 2.0: mixed-mode debugging, which provides an integrated experience for debugging mixed Python/C processes. See https://pytools.codeplex.com/wikipage?title=Mixed-mode%20deb... for details. Disclaimer: I used to work on IronPython.

The guy that wrote this used to work on my team and is a great dev. If you run into any issues I could certainly point him your way.

Re: Python Tools for Visual Studio

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Post by sshconnection » Tue, Jul 02, 2013, 2:53 PM UTC

euroclydon wrote: post #21

drawkbox wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Haven't tried it yet, might give it a try. The debugging looks cool and even Guido seems to think it has some benefits: https://profiles.google.com/115212051037621986145/buzz/CGh9M... - note he mentions painful SCM integration, as usual in IDEs that just doesn't work well. SCM support I usually turn off as it adds iteration lag typically. Prefer the scm tools directly almost always.

I keep SourceTree, by the same company, running while I'm working in PyCharm, and it picks up all the changes nicely. It has been my crutch in becoming competent using Git.

PyCharm is built by JetBrains, and SourceTree by Atlassian. Both great products, though.

Re: Python Tools for Visual Studio

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Post by amjith » Tue, Jul 02, 2013, 2:53 PM UTC

Do people run django production sites on Windows? Not trolling, genuinely interested.

Re: Python Tools for Visual Studio

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Post by 3327 » Tue, Jul 02, 2013, 2:54 PM UTC

jahewson wrote: post #20

There are a lot of Python IDEs out there, some very good, such as IntelliJ IDEA. I'd prefer to see an objective comparison.

Surely there must be some out there, but VS is a solid IDE its really hard to argue against it. Eclipse, VS they are benchmarks.

Re: Python Tools for Visual Studio

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Post by CurtHagenlocher » Tue, Jul 02, 2013, 3:04 PM UTC

stinos wrote: post #22

CurtHagenlocher wrote: post #9

This doesn't even mention the most awesome feature of PTVS 2.0: mixed-mode debugging, which provides an integrated experience for debugging mixed Python/C processes. See https://pytools.codeplex.com/wikipage?title=Mixed-mode%20deb... for details. Disclaimer: I used to work on IronPython.

Afaik that's exactly what the first all-in-your-face picture is showing? And man that is seriously awesome indeed.

Hah, you're right. A picture may be worth one thousand words, but Control-F "native" won't necessarily find it. Also, I apparently didn't search for "C++". sigh.

Re: Python Tools for Visual Studio

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Post by yngccc » Tue, Jul 02, 2013, 3:07 PM UTC

drawkbox wrote: post #4

I primarily use Sublime, TextMate or Komodo on Mac for python dev but would love to also use VS. I do run windows and do most dev on that under VS. Maybe one day VS will come to Mac, I know that doesn't follow the platform mission but would get some good traction for Visual Studio going forward and a little fire under Xcode for C/C++ dev on Mac. At this point both XCode and VS are pretty equal but XCode I also like a…

VS 2013 now comes with way more editing options than Xcode. It always drive me nut that I couldn't make IDE automatically insert space around function parameters, because it is not a popular style.

Re: Python Tools for Visual Studio

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Post by kayoone » Tue, Jul 02, 2013, 3:11 PM UTC

shire wrote: post #14

clone1018 wrote: post #6

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As for an IDE, RubyMine.

RubyMine is cool so is PyCharm.

and PHPStorm from the same company..all their IDEs are pretty awesome!

Re: Python Tools for Visual Studio

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Post by mumphster » Tue, Jul 02, 2013, 3:12 PM UTC

amjith wrote: post #25

Do people run django production sites on Windows? Not trolling, genuinely interested.

I currently maintain and run a big ol' Django project running on Apache/Windows/MSSQL (and some Oracle) here (university of Arizona). It's not that bad although myself and the other developer both use mac's so its annoying having to RDP in to do anything in a python shell.