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Post by llamataboot »

mixmax wrote: post #70
LowKarmaAccount wrote: post #6

Unless you have a real emergency and need assistance, it's best to avoid the police whenever possible, even if you've done nothing wrong. Local police forces have many officers that are poorly trained and believe that they have plenary power or act as if they do in any situation. Of course, this isn't true about all local police officers, but if you don't know which officers are the good ones, you should just avoid a…

If the best advice in the US is to avoid the police you've got a very serious problem. It sounds like travel advice from a third-world country.

We do have a very serious problem. We have a paramilitary force patrolling our streets, largely fighting a fictional "war on drugs" and locking up whole swaths of our population. The poor-ish, brown-ish swath.

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Post by jlgreco »

angersock wrote: post #83
voidlogic wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sedation is not realistic, usually only animal control officers have them and even then they usually don't have it with them. BUT... Every officer near where I live carries a nightclub/billy stick/baton etc. I've been in situation with aggressive dogs out in the country and often a simple kick is enough to back them off... Discharging a firearm at a fast moving animal is reckless and begging for a bystander to be inj…

I'm not sure a crippling beating with a nightstick would be a kindness--if you were the cop in question, faced with a dog that size lunging at you, you're probably not going to go for a love tap.

It works for everyone who isn't a cop, it should work for cops too.

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Post by angersock »

nknighthb wrote: post #103
angersock wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure a crippling beating with a nightstick would be a kindness--if you were the cop in question, faced with a dog that size lunging at you, you're probably not going to go for a love tap.

Beating a dog (or person, for that matter) into submission stands a better chance of leaving them alive at the end of the day than shooting them repeatedly does. But neither were necessary. The dog snapped at the cop when the cop reached for it in a high-tension situation. The cop is a complete moron.

The cop is likely following the training he was given, which is to shoot attacking animals--it's a lot cheaper to replace a dog than to hospitalize a cop, and ultimately the officer's life is worth more than the dog.

I love dogs, I've lived with several (medium and large), but you don't mess around with something like that if it decides to get dangerous.

This is the same reason that cops are trained to shoot center-mass and until the attacker is down; this officer responded quickly under stress and safely dispatched his attacker, preventing possible serious injury to both himself and his partner.

If you want to argue that the cops shouldn't have cuffed the guy, I'd absolutely agree. A polite "Now, son, why were you phoning at us?" would've avoided all this nonsense. I can't in clear conscience disagree with the self-defense the officer used.

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Post by haldujai »

oinksoft wrote: post #115
haldujai wrote: post #93

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"Please don't submit comments complaining that a submission is inappropriate for the site. If you think something is spam or offtopic, flag it by going to its page and clicking on the "flag" link" Also from the guidelines.

What if the website software has decided to turn your vote arrows and "flag" links into placebo buttons? I am certain my votes have no effect, nor do my flags; I've tested it. Silently being relegated to a second-class account (not a "hell ban" at least, I guess) has made me less interested in participating at all. I don't even know why I'm logged in right now.

Then trust that other people (like me) who still have privileges flagged the post already.

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Post by abraham »

angersock wrote: post #106
LowKarmaAccount wrote: post #6

Unless you have a real emergency and need assistance, it's best to avoid the police whenever possible, even if you've done nothing wrong. Local police forces have many officers that are poorly trained and believe that they have plenary power or act as if they do in any situation. Of course, this isn't true about all local police officers, but if you don't know which officers are the good ones, you should just avoid a…

This is a really distressing trend, right? The growing size of cities and the creation of suburbs (especially those which do not support walking) have caused the beat-cop to become somewhat deprecated--in my home city right now there is a shortage of officers and dwindling pensions for the ones that are still on board. So, instead of having Officer Bob the friendly cop who patrols your street, you have nameless squad…

The police were originally on scene for an armed robbery. Since the where there because of someone with a gun it makes sense that they officers would be well armed themselves.

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Post by VladRussian2 »

xjtian wrote: post #38

It's a sad situation, and the officer never should have fired his sidearm at the dog, but to be fair to them, they didn't just shoot the dog with no provocation - the dog lunges 2 or 3 times at the officers with clear aggressive intent before it's shot. There are a million different things these officers could have done a lot better in this situation, like not arresting the videographer in the first place, or using p…

>they didn't just shoot the dog with no provocation - the dog lunges 2 or 3 times at the officers with clear aggressive intent before it's shot

the dog didn't start without provocation - they attacked his owner.

>The dog's last lunge toward the officer who killed it was very fast and aggressive, and the officer had just a split second to react.

if that dog really attacked, instead of just lounging, these fat cops wouldn't leave unharmed.

>If I was in the same situation at that split second, I might have done the same thing. I was once chased and attacked by an aggressive dog before, and I rank it as one of the most terrifying experiences in my life. Being attacked by an animal with clear intent to harm or even kill you is just so primally scary that there's no way to think and react rationally - you just do whatever you can to get away and survive.

it is you fear speaking. When dogs attack with intent to harm - they harm.

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Post by bumeye »

[deleted] wrote: post #81

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Make sure to watch the part before this video too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffwxaTpJTyI

I don't think the arrest was entirely unnecessary. The guy was really provoking the police right from the moment when he arrives. He knows he's messing with them and I think taking that dog out of the car was just another thing done to annoy them. He was asking for trouble and he got it.

Off course it's sad that the dog was shot. That was handled poorly. I guess people do stupid things in stressful situations where they don't have time to think.

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