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Post by twoodfin »

haldujai wrote: post #93
WestCoastJustin wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What to Submit -- Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic. I disagree with you, because this is possibly a crime, non labeled graphic content, should be covered on the TV news, etc. Therefor I think it is probably off-topic.…

"Please don't submit comments complaining that a submission is inappropriate for the site. If you think something is spam or offtopic, flag it by going to its page and clicking on the "flag" link" Also from the guidelines.

Some of us lost our flagging privileges by flagging all the duplicative, non-hacker-related junk on the front page the past few weeks.

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Post by alanchavez »

epochwolf wrote: post #62
xjtian wrote: post #38

It's a sad situation, and the officer never should have fired his sidearm at the dog, but to be fair to them, they didn't just shoot the dog with no provocation - the dog lunges 2 or 3 times at the officers with clear aggressive intent before it's shot. There are a million different things these officers could have done a lot better in this situation, like not arresting the videographer in the first place, or using p…

No, no, no. You do not use pepper spray on a dog. Pepper spray gets everywhere. The officer using it is going to get hit with it too. Pepper spray would make the dog more aggressive and put the officers in jeopardy. Once the dog started attacking their only option was to shoot.

they could have used a taser

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Post by mikegagnon »

LowKarmaAccount wrote: post #6

Unless you have a real emergency and need assistance, it's best to avoid the police whenever possible, even if you've done nothing wrong. Local police forces have many officers that are poorly trained and believe that they have plenary power or act as if they do in any situation. Of course, this isn't true about all local police officers, but if you don't know which officers are the good ones, you should just avoid a…

> Unless you have a real emergency and need assistance, it's best to avoid the police whenever possible, even if you've done nothing wrong.

You are assuming everyone's objective function is to minimize harm to themselves.

If you want to deter the police from using unreasonable force during an arrest, you can do that by filming them.

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Post by IanDrake »

epochwolf wrote: post #62
xjtian wrote: post #38

It's a sad situation, and the officer never should have fired his sidearm at the dog, but to be fair to them, they didn't just shoot the dog with no provocation - the dog lunges 2 or 3 times at the officers with clear aggressive intent before it's shot. There are a million different things these officers could have done a lot better in this situation, like not arresting the videographer in the first place, or using p…

No, no, no. You do not use pepper spray on a dog. Pepper spray gets everywhere. The officer using it is going to get hit with it too. Pepper spray would make the dog more aggressive and put the officers in jeopardy. Once the dog started attacking their only option was to shoot.

Or let go of the illegally detained man they took into custody and let him secure his dog. It's not like he was putting up a fight.

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Post by oinksoft »

haldujai wrote: post #93
WestCoastJustin wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What to Submit -- Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic. I disagree with you, because this is possibly a crime, non labeled graphic content, should be covered on the TV news, etc. Therefor I think it is probably off-topic.…

"Please don't submit comments complaining that a submission is inappropriate for the site. If you think something is spam or offtopic, flag it by going to its page and clicking on the "flag" link" Also from the guidelines.

What if the website software has decided to turn your vote arrows and "flag" links into placebo buttons? I am certain my votes have no effect, nor do my flags; I've tested it.

Silently being relegated to a second-class account (not a "hell ban" at least, I guess) has made me less interested in participating at all. I don't even know why I'm logged in right now.

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Post by jlgreco »

[deleted] wrote: post #81

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Here is my question: if cops need to shoot barking, even mildly aggressive, dogs to protect themselves, then why are we allowing our brave workers in the poster service to go about their jobs so hopelessly unprotected from the angry dog menace? Clearly if dogs present such a clear danger to police, then postal workers should be packing heat as well.

Seriously, cops seem to be the only government workers that need to shoot dogs to protect themselves from them. Everyone else somehow manages, including cops in many other countries. Maybe we should contract with some european police officers to train our police...

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Post by [deleted] »

epochwolf wrote: post #62
xjtian wrote: post #38

It's a sad situation, and the officer never should have fired his sidearm at the dog, but to be fair to them, they didn't just shoot the dog with no provocation - the dog lunges 2 or 3 times at the officers with clear aggressive intent before it's shot. There are a million different things these officers could have done a lot better in this situation, like not arresting the videographer in the first place, or using p…

No, no, no. You do not use pepper spray on a dog. Pepper spray gets everywhere. The officer using it is going to get hit with it too. Pepper spray would make the dog more aggressive and put the officers in jeopardy. Once the dog started attacking their only option was to shoot.

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Post by epidemian »

epochwolf wrote: post #62
xjtian wrote: post #38

It's a sad situation, and the officer never should have fired his sidearm at the dog, but to be fair to them, they didn't just shoot the dog with no provocation - the dog lunges 2 or 3 times at the officers with clear aggressive intent before it's shot. There are a million different things these officers could have done a lot better in this situation, like not arresting the videographer in the first place, or using p…

No, no, no. You do not use pepper spray on a dog. Pepper spray gets everywhere. The officer using it is going to get hit with it too. Pepper spray would make the dog more aggressive and put the officers in jeopardy. Once the dog started attacking their only option was to shoot.

Or, maybe ask the owner to calm the dog?... like any sane person would do?

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Post by mwilcox »

derefr wrote: post #96
mwilcox wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

'Hacker News' is whatever news is voted up by the users. While the original article might not be about programming or startups, people might still be interested in discussing it with like-minded people. In this case it involves technology and sousveillance, which is related to a lot of issues going on that are more 'hacker' related. It might not be that interesting to you or me, but it's at the number 1 spot on the h…

No; this attitude is exactly what allows for the community dilution. "Open membership" + "front page should be a representative sampling of 'anything the membership likes'" has its asymptote at "cat pictures." A community starts with a focus, and its core members join because they want a focused community. But they invite their friends, who aren't necessarily fully interested in the core discussion--so discussion dri…

I think the content here has shifted from the original focus long ago, lots of people are interested in discussing the context in which technology and the work they do takes place.

Actually, refreshing the thread now (this has taken off pretty quickly) there's very little relevant discussion, so I agree with you. I would have liked to see some discussion around the role of sousveillance but it's mostly just the typical reddit 'police are scum' discussion.

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Post by Duhck »

As a [large] dog owner, this is a gut wrenching video. Watching that dog roll around in agony after being shot multiple times sent me over to my dog to hug him for just being alive.

With that said, this guy is an idiot, the cops overreacted initially, and this huge ass dog let off a dozen warning barks. Once he went to protect his master from 'harm' the cops reacted in a way that put the dog into fight or flight mode.

They should be better trained to deal with dogs, and also should be brought up on criminal charges for arresting a man who did nothing wrong, and consequently killing an animal that posed no true threat to the half dozen officers on the scene.

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