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Post by subpixel » Tue, Jul 02, 2013, 2:10 AM UTC

obilgic wrote: post #9

famousactress wrote: post #3

Fucking disgusting. More information: http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013/07/01/viral-video-appear... Apparently happened in Hawthorne, CA.

2:19 [0] in the second video is also disgusting [0]: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffwxaTpJTyI&t=139

As disgusting as it is to see the cops shoot the dog, this video appears to show the dog's owner making a series of poor decisions. "Oh, here's a SWAT thing going down, let me pull right up in my car, and then get out - with my huge dog - and check it out up close, while letting my car stereo blare."

Within his rights, sure. Intelligent, not so much.

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#102

Post by sirsar » Tue, Jul 02, 2013, 2:10 AM UTC

WestCoastJustin wrote: post #11

Why is this on HN and getting up-voted?

I'm not saying it's necessarily right, but: 1) It relates to the general anti-gov't sentiment with Snowden , NSA, et al 2) The man was recording the police with his smartphone

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#103

Post by nknighthb » Tue, Jul 02, 2013, 2:10 AM UTC

angersock wrote: post #83

voidlogic wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sedation is not realistic, usually only animal control officers have them and even then they usually don't have it with them. BUT... Every officer near where I live carries a nightclub/billy stick/baton etc. I've been in situation with aggressive dogs out in the country and often a simple kick is enough to back them off... Discharging a firearm at a fast moving animal is reckless and begging for a bystander to be inj…

I'm not sure a crippling beating with a nightstick would be a kindness--if you were the cop in question, faced with a dog that size lunging at you, you're probably not going to go for a love tap.

Beating a dog (or person, for that matter) into submission stands a better chance of leaving them alive at the end of the day than shooting them repeatedly does. But neither were necessary. The dog snapped at the cop when the cop reached for it in a high-tension situation. The cop is a complete moron.

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#104

Post by fnordfnordfnord » Tue, Jul 02, 2013, 2:11 AM UTC

flexie wrote: post #22

smoyer wrote: post #4

So many questions! Why would they think it was alright to cuff the videographer? Why wouldn't they expect a dog to attempt to protect his owner? If they had successfully cuffed the gentleman and taken him away in the squad car, would they have left the dog in a hot car (a crime here in Pennsylvania)? Why weren't the other people taking videos also arrested? I hope some of these police officers lose their jobs, but ap…

Yes, that is sad and it makes me angry too but it's hardly relevant for HN, is it?

Live in California? Own a dog and a cell phone? Enjoy Constitutionally protected freedoms? If none of the above then feel free to ignore/downvote.

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#105

Post by jack-r-abbit » Tue, Jul 02, 2013, 2:11 AM UTC

The arrest was bullshit. But the shooting was self defense. The dog (what appears to be a Rottweiler... which is one of "those" breeds) made several aggressive lunges that the officers. It appears right before getting shot, it made contact with one officers arm.

The situation should never have started, but once it did, they didn't have much choice in protecting themselves. If that dog had been a dude with a rudimentary weapon on the level of a vicious dog bite, dude would have been laid out just the same.

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#106

Post by angersock » Tue, Jul 02, 2013, 2:12 AM UTC

LowKarmaAccount wrote: post #6

Unless you have a real emergency and need assistance, it's best to avoid the police whenever possible, even if you've done nothing wrong. Local police forces have many officers that are poorly trained and believe that they have plenary power or act as if they do in any situation. Of course, this isn't true about all local police officers, but if you don't know which officers are the good ones, you should just avoid a…

This is a really distressing trend, right?

The growing size of cities and the creation of suburbs (especially those which do not support walking) have caused the beat-cop to become somewhat deprecated--in my home city right now there is a shortage of officers and dwindling pensions for the ones that are still on board.

So, instead of having Officer Bob the friendly cop who patrols your street, you have nameless squadcars driving seemingly at random--much like the beetles of Bradbury's literature. You have cops that are never seen, and when they are seen they typically are bad news.

This, taken in combination with the horrific perversion of justice that can occur in our adversarial system, causes a very definite sense of the "other". We have trouble feeling bad for these cops, because in a way they do not blend in with their community in a meaningful fashion. We do not help them, we do not like them, and they generally seem to return the favor.

Worse, we see an increasing attempt to bolster the average power of the cop with tools grossly out of proportion to their intended function in society: note that the two officers in this video appeared to be carrying submachineguns. What. The. Fuck.

With police seen as distinct from our communities and friends and families, and with government increasingly aloof in regulations and faceless bureaucracy, I very much fear for the next decade of the American experiment.

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Jul 02, 2013, 2:12 AM UTC

mayanksinghal wrote: post #67

to3m wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are you going to do? Put chloroform over its nose? Inject it with a sedative? Spray it with something? May I ask whether you have you ever owned a dog? ;) I can't think of any quicker and overall safer means of sedation than simply shooting it in the head. It's sad that a dog has to die, but compared to the mess an angry dog can make, its life is simply not worth much. Not that I really want to sound like I'm de…

I have owned a dog in past, and I was able to calm him down when he used to get angry. And I believe that would have been the case with the dead dog and the person who was in cuffs for no reason.

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#108

Post by nknighthb » Tue, Jul 02, 2013, 2:13 AM UTC

jessedhillon wrote: post #20

speeder wrote: post #7

I was expecting a bad video, but not THAT bad... I mean, I expected they to shoot the dog and the dog drop dead, seeing the dog doing... whatever it did... when it got shot was hard on the stomach. :( Even worse, the owner of the dog DID put it in the car, I believe so he could confront the cops without the dog threatning them... But it did not worked :(

I am a dog lover through and through. But it is very tough to see what the police could have done differently, except maybe taser him/her instead. That dog looks like he was 70+ lbs, and he was lunging at the officer, in my view. It's very, very sad to have seen this -- I wish the window had been rolled up. That said, yes the police did instigate this in the larger sense by (I guess?) arresting him for taping the inc…

1. Don't reach for an angry dog.

2. Take the cuffs off the guy you're kidnapping.

3. Let the victim of your sociopathic aggression calm his dog down.

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Post by logn » Tue, Jul 02, 2013, 2:13 AM UTC

jessedhillon wrote: post #20

speeder wrote: post #7

I was expecting a bad video, but not THAT bad... I mean, I expected they to shoot the dog and the dog drop dead, seeing the dog doing... whatever it did... when it got shot was hard on the stomach. :( Even worse, the owner of the dog DID put it in the car, I believe so he could confront the cops without the dog threatning them... But it did not worked :(

I am a dog lover through and through. But it is very tough to see what the police could have done differently, except maybe taser him/her instead. That dog looks like he was 70+ lbs, and he was lunging at the officer, in my view. It's very, very sad to have seen this -- I wish the window had been rolled up. That said, yes the police did instigate this in the larger sense by (I guess?) arresting him for taping the inc…

Also it's pretty well understood, I'd imagine especially by police officers, dogs' reactions to their owners being threatened. They either could have foreseen this, or more cynically, they wanted this to happen.

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#110

Post by gonehome » Tue, Jul 02, 2013, 2:14 AM UTC

derefr wrote: post #96

mwilcox wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

'Hacker News' is whatever news is voted up by the users. While the original article might not be about programming or startups, people might still be interested in discussing it with like-minded people. In this case it involves technology and sousveillance, which is related to a lot of issues going on that are more 'hacker' related. It might not be that interesting to you or me, but it's at the number 1 spot on the h…

No; this attitude is exactly what allows for the community dilution. "Open membership" + "front page should be a representative sampling of 'anything the membership likes'" has its asymptote at "cat pictures." A community starts with a focus, and its core members join because they want a focused community. But they invite their friends, who aren't necessarily fully interested in the core discussion--so discussion dri…

Exactly - and it's been getting worse.

I usually don't comment on this since it may serve to just exacerbate the problem, but this last year it seems like there has been a stronger decline in comment/article quality on HN than usual. I'm not sure what's going on - when digg started to feel this way in 2007 there was reddit and when reddit started to feel this way in 2008 I found HN, not sure what's next.