Most of us carry video cameras in our pockets now. Filming police needs to become ubiquitous. There should be no police officer in the United States that doesn't know that at any time they could be being filmed and held accountable for their actions by the public they are paid to protect and serve. It is one case where I think constant citizen surveillance could be useful. After a few years of it and constant court rulings that it is protected, perhaps cops would stop yelling at people and arresting them for doing nothing wrong. Yes, I'm talking to everyone on this site. If you are walking back from grabbing a burrito and see the cops "talking to" a homeless person on the street, or pulling over a driver for running a red light or detaining someone, /you/ need to stop for 5-10 minutes, get out your camera phone, and start filming. Please. For the love of a police state run amuck.
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#72Animal control is not 10 feet away ready with tranquilizer darts. Police need to defend themselves from aggressive animals. They can't take the chance that it's "just jumping up on them a little." They certainly can't release the man under arrest so he can restrain his dog; that potentially would have been an even more dangerous situation. Something about killing aggressive dogs makes people seem to forget that they…
>They certainly can't release the man under arrest so he can restrain his dog; that potentially would have been an even more dangerous situation.
yes, the guy they illegally arrested presented real and clear danger - he was black (notice the white girl at the end of the video - she obviously wasn't a danger and wasn't arrested)
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#73I hate to be "that" guy, but: Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic. There is nothing Hacker News related here. At BEST we can tangentially relate it to our civil liberties, but that is a stretch. Let's keep things like thi…
You think it is a stretch that this relates to civil liberties? That's kinda interesting.
Obviusly, he meant that it was a stretch that the video belongs on HN, due to it being involved with our civil liberties.
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#74This story/video needs a warning. Warning: there is a graphic disgusting killing of an animal in the video.
Sorry, but what did you expect? California Police Arrest Man for Video Recording, then Kill his Dog That seems pretty clear to me.
nope. It's a fair point. I kind of expected the video to be turned off before that happened, or to just be a news article.
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#75I hate to be "that" guy, but: Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic. There is nothing Hacker News related here. At BEST we can tangentially relate it to our civil liberties, but that is a stretch. Let's keep things like thi…
'Hacker News' is whatever news is voted up by the users. While the original article might not be about programming or startups, people might still be interested in discussing it with like-minded people. In this case it involves technology and sousveillance, which is related to a lot of issues going on that are more 'hacker' related. It might not be that interesting to you or me, but it's at the number 1 spot on the homepage, so people do want to discuss it.
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#76I hate to be "that" guy, but: Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic. There is nothing Hacker News related here. At BEST we can tangentially relate it to our civil liberties, but that is a stretch. Let's keep things like thi…
i hate to be "that" guy, but:
you're an idiot.
in an unchecked police state, technology does not exist in any form worth focusing on.
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#77Unless you have a real emergency and need assistance, it's best to avoid the police whenever possible, even if you've done nothing wrong. Local police forces have many officers that are poorly trained and believe that they have plenary power or act as if they do in any situation. Of course, this isn't true about all local police officers, but if you don't know which officers are the good ones, you should just avoid a…
I was about to post a similar comment. Your advice is very good, and hasn't yet been heard by enough people to have the knee-jerk "victim blaming" response attached to it.
Edit: Oops, poster above did in fact throw down the victim blaming card. Indeed, the man did nothing wrong, but he could have a live dog right now by simply avoiding the police.
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#78Stupid mother fuckers who don't understand animals... You don't reach for a dog's face or leash while he's trying to defend his owner. The dog wouldn't have lunged if he wasn't provoked.
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#79I'm a bit conflicted; on the one hand I think the officers were correct to shoot the dog once it was jumping at them and was undeterred by being kicked. On the other hand killing a dog is going to get a lot more people mad at (and raise awareness of) the over-the-top reactions of officers to people videotaping cops.
> the officers were correct to shoot the dog once it was jumping at them and was undeterred by being kicked
The larger question is whether or not the officers had any business with the dog's owner in the first place. If the answer to that question is no, then none of their actions have any justification, shooting the dog included.
And unless there's more to the story about what Leon Rosby was doing (if he wasn't simply filming), then the answer to that question is in fact no.
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#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, that is sad and it makes me angry too but it's hardly relevant for HN, is it?
"relevant for HN" You haven't noticed that the tech oriented people who populate this community also have a strong sense of social justice and care about civil liberties? Really?
A need they can fill on Reddit, yes?