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Re: Never Trust Facebook

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Facebook has value, but no matter what your privacy settings are set to, no matter what you delete, always assume that anything you write or do on Facebook - in any context - will be embarrassingly public. 1) Because it will and 2) because it just makes life easier. When my wife and I were first dating, for religious and cultural reasons her parents didn't know. Her parents are conservative Muslims and mine conservat…

You are way too easy on FB for destroying your girlfriend's relationship with her parents. Clearly, FB deserves at least some of the blame. Without your consent, they made private photos public. You didn't do that. You used their privacy settings which they created to prevent this type of situation. To have FB disregard their own privacy settings is 100% on them. But, instead of blaming FB, you blame yourself. In lig…

While true, it's not like this wouldn't have happened eventually anyway. Were they going to keep this relationship secret from her parents forever? How well would that ultimately work out?

Re: Never Trust Facebook

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I am not going to waste time deleting all of my content a third time.

I did that once, there's a Firefox extension (the name escapes me at the moment sorry) you can use to create macros. Sure it's useless in a way, but it's also fun in a way :D If it pops back, it's macro time again -- better than nothing, right?

Re: Never Trust Facebook

#123

I deleted my Facebook account a few years ago. The whole deal - waited the requisite month or so to ensure that it was gone, and any further login attempts wouldn't re-instate the account. Six months later I signed up with a different email address, and Facebook forced me to confirm my account with my phone number. Javascript Error - that phone number is associated with another Facebook account. I click OK, and I'm r…

How did you delete your account ? Because no where in Facebook does it allow you to do this. Only deactivate your account.

You can request to have the account deleted. More info here: https://www.facebook.com/help/224562897555674

Re: Never Trust Facebook

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I stopped using FB over a year ago, and I deleted my account there last December.

Once you delete your FB account your profile remains visible for another two weeks, provided you don't login during the interim.

Today I can happily say that I am no longer on the publicly-available Facebook site, but who knows if FB maintains an LEO version of the site for use by the fascists (spies) and other government entities...

Re: Never Trust Facebook

#125
post #24

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Flagging items as deleted as opposed to actually deleting them is one thing. Of course it's not ideal for someone who wants to revoke facbook's access to their data, but there is more or less no difference from a user perspective. If I understand correctly, what's going on here is that after the posts and other content were flagged as deleted, they were somehow unflagged and became fully visible again. That's differe…

I agree with you: It's a bug and it's bad.

Except that a bug implies it was accidental. Everyone deserves the benefit of doubt, but Facebook's history is exceptional in this regard.

Similar to the OP, I have ethical concerns with some aspects of what Facebook does, or at least obvious harmful side effects of what they do. But I think for me the reason they bother me more than Google or others often lumped into the same category is the consistent and, as far as I can tell, completely unabashed disingenuousness they display (e.g., the history of public statements made every time this has happened going back almost to their founding days).

Re: Never Trust Facebook

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post #77

I find rants like this quite interesting, especially when they end with lines like this: > That is why I may delete my Facebook account. And that is why you should too. "May". In spite of this pretty egregious behavior/bug, it's still a " may delete my Facebook account". That alone says something about the longevity of the business.

I think, if you read the rest of his rant, he stopped using Facebook ages ago. He hasn't deleted the account because it makes a negligible difference in terms of how much information Facebook has about him.

Re: Never Trust Facebook

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On the contrary I think that his view is far more realist than yours. Her girlfrind gave her private picture to a third source. If you want to keep information secret you never give it away, not on internet not on the real life. Is not like facebook went to her homea amd took the pictures from her camera. I don't think that facebook did a good job here of course. But it's more that it acted like a catalizer in a situ…

> If you want to keep information secret you never give it away, not on internet not on the real life. How do you apply that seemingly unassailable stance to something like iPhone/iCloud, where photos you take with the only camera you have on you during once-in-a-lifetime-moments are immediately and automatically uploaded to a third party for safekeeping? The solution to all of this data retention/spying stuff is not…

>How do you apply that seemingly unassailable stance to something like iPhone/iCloud

A: if you want to keep it secret. How often do people find themselves in once in a lifetime moments that they want to keep secret, and want to take photos of, but only have an iphone with them?

B: iphones are not the only phones with built in cameras. If you care about privacy to that extent, you wouldn't own one.

That said, I agree with you. One example is when Service providers unilaterally change their tos by asserting that continued usage implies consent. This puts too much power in the hands of companies like Facebook, where many users are too embedded not to continue.

Re: Never Trust Facebook

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As a fellow 20-something in SF, I feel your pain. I recently made a FB account that I keep absolutely bare except for my friends to invite me to things. It still results in 'leak' that I'm not fond of, but the alternate choice is to continue to be left in the dust.

People that don't understand that I do not like FB are not my friends.

I used to think this, but the truth is more complex. Facebook makes it easy for a lot of people to manage very large number of friends. If you're not using Facebook but most people around you are using it, even though your close friends would probably care enough about you to communicate with you through some other means, you will probably be missing out on a large number of distant acquaintances.

The usual counter-argument to this is that it isn't worth it to care about such relationships anyway, and that you should only be concerned about close friends. It is true that close friends are important, but it might not be true that the optimal strategy is to care only about them. It may be useful to keeping distant connections with old friends in case you ever run into them again, or to have a large distant social circle with diverse backgrounds and physical locations to get more diverse recommendations, opinions, help, etc. More dramatically, say you arrive in a new city where you don't know anyone and no one knows you, but most people use Facebook: if you insist that people that don't initially know you should use your favorite communication medium rather than Facebook to interact with you online, it might be harder to get things started.

This isn't to say that you should use Facebook: I never used it and discourage people from using it. This is to argue that you should be conscious that not using Facebook may come at a personal disadvantage. I personally still think that it is more important to stick to my principles and make an insignificant effort to improve things by not being on Facebook, but I can understand that other people might think differently (though I disapprove their choice).

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