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Re: 4chan now offers self-serve advertising starting at $20

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Post by jlgreco »

eli_gottlieb wrote: post #75
jlgreco wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My objection applies to all of the things that you mentioned, particularly IRC and "raiding". In fact almost all "raiding" that is associated with 4chan is actually planed/organized/orchestrated on IRC.

And? I would certainly say much of IRC is a "bad neighborhood" ethics-wise. It's half the fun of the internet that we can hang out in the worst neighborhoods of all, the very dens of crime and iniquity and blah blah blah, and yet stand no risk whatsoever of actually being mugged.

My point is that I would not expect a comment expressing surprise that people admit to using IRC, even though all the reasons you cite for your surprise at people admitting to using 4chan apply as well or better to IRC.

Re: 4chan now offers self-serve advertising starting at $20

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Post by jlgreco »

jquery wrote: post #78
jmduke wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The now-banned subreddit had an external forum (the name of the subreddit with a prepended 'r', if memory serves) which they used to coordinate raids with obvious malicious intent. The whole point of free speech is that unpopular groups aren't shut down for having unpopular opinions. Reddit's administration has made a point of this as much as they possible. But when you break the rules, you break the rules.

> they used to coordinate raids with obvious malicious intent. Kind of like /r/shitredditsays (a forum exclusively for raiding other subreddits), which has the blessing of the reddit admins because it's PC... > Reddit's administration has made a point of this as much as they possible. Then why is this in the Reddit ToS? You agree not to use any obscene, indecent, or offensive language or to provide to or post on or t…

> */r/shitredditsays ... it's PC...

I wouldn't quite say they PC... but I don't know what I would call them. I don't think there is really a term that adequately describes using shock tactics, belittling, and bullying to further an otherwise commendable cause. They are "Un-PC about being PC" I suppose.

Re: 4chan now offers self-serve advertising starting at $20

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Post by georgemcbay »

babuskov wrote: post #54
dreadheart wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow, Moot reads Hacker News. Not surprising, but pleases me greatly. Thank you for your contributions to the great shared halucination that is the internet.

Or maybe someone just tipped him off. Trivia: I just opened his HN profile to see when was his account created, and by some strange coincidence we have exactly the same karma (443). Either that or it's bug in HN :)

443 is the default port of https.

This must all be some NSA conspiracy.

Re: 4chan now offers self-serve advertising starting at $20

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Post by jlgreco »

jmduke wrote: post #69
fosap wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think so. It's more like saying "I'm an oldfag, I'm a kind of elitist". The hipster who was on 4chan before it was cool. Being on 4chan might be a kind of stigma, but not very much. I guess the average internet user looks down to thumblr not to 4chan. 4chan are a somehow the cool kids. Somehow.

I strongly doubt the average internet user knows what 4chan is.

"internet user" in what capacity (checks their emails every week, or participates on online forums?) and in what age bracket? Once you exclude most of the internet users who are only nominally "using the internet", I suspect most are at least vaguely aware of 4chan.

Re: 4chan now offers self-serve advertising starting at $20

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Post by redthrowaway »

jquery wrote: post #78
jmduke wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The now-banned subreddit had an external forum (the name of the subreddit with a prepended 'r', if memory serves) which they used to coordinate raids with obvious malicious intent. The whole point of free speech is that unpopular groups aren't shut down for having unpopular opinions. Reddit's administration has made a point of this as much as they possible. But when you break the rules, you break the rules.

> they used to coordinate raids with obvious malicious intent. Kind of like /r/shitredditsays (a forum exclusively for raiding other subreddits), which has the blessing of the reddit admins because it's PC... > Reddit's administration has made a point of this as much as they possible. Then why is this in the Reddit ToS? You agree not to use any obscene, indecent, or offensive language or to provide to or post on or t…

The TOS has never been enforced, as the admins have explicitly stated.

Re: 4chan now offers self-serve advertising starting at $20

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Post by mhurron »

eli_gottlieb wrote: post #4

I like how we Hacker News users are brave enough to admit under very public profiles that we have, in fact, been to 4chan. EDIT: This post was not sarcastic or ironic. Though I do think /pol/ is a hive of neo-Nazi scum /flameproof-suit.

> /pol/ is a hive of neo-Nazi scum

Not that I would ever advocate going there (or /b/) but a fair number of 4chan users on all boards are saying things for teh lulz. So only a portion of those are genuine neo-nazi scum.

Re: 4chan now offers self-serve advertising starting at $20

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Post by mhurron »

indlebe wrote: post #79
eli_gottlieb wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At various times in history the ACLU has defended the KKK. Yes, and? If you actually believe in free speech , calling someone a Horrible Person is not a disguised argument for shutting them down. 4chan is full of really horrible people. Sometimes I am one of them. This doesn't mean they should be shut down by the government or something. However, it also doesn't mean they're Glorious Heroes Fighting For Righteousness…

I think that less people would have problems with your comment if you stated that you were an oldfriend right off the bat.

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> oldfriend

Hey wait a minute ...

CENSORSHIP

Re: 4chan now offers self-serve advertising starting at $20

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Post by hobs »

jlgreco wrote: post #82
jquery wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> they used to coordinate raids with obvious malicious intent. Kind of like /r/shitredditsays (a forum exclusively for raiding other subreddits), which has the blessing of the reddit admins because it's PC... > Reddit's administration has made a point of this as much as they possible. Then why is this in the Reddit ToS? You agree not to use any obscene, indecent, or offensive language or to provide to or post on or t…

> */r/shitredditsays ... it's PC... I wouldn't quite say they PC... but I don't know what I would call them. I don't think there is really a term that adequately describes using shock tactics, belittling, and bullying to further an otherwise commendable cause. They are "Un-PC about being PC" I suppose.

Bullies. Bullies for a good cause are still bullies.

Re: 4chan now offers self-serve advertising starting at $20

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Post by jlgreco »

hobs wrote: post #88
jlgreco wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> */r/shitredditsays ... it's PC... I wouldn't quite say they PC... but I don't know what I would call them. I don't think there is really a term that adequately describes using shock tactics, belittling, and bullying to further an otherwise commendable cause. They are "Un-PC about being PC" I suppose.

Bullies. Bullies for a good cause are still bullies.

Just the word "bullies" doesn't explain why they have been untouched, but yeah. They are bullies.

Re: 4chan now offers self-serve advertising starting at $20

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Post by swarthy »

eli_gottlieb wrote: post #57
jquery wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> /pol/ is a hive of neo-Nazi scum When you censor the rest of the internet, the "scum" (aka people with non-PC opinions) will concentrate where they can talk without fear of censorship. You can be a "political-normal" on /pol/ but you won't have the politically-correct wind at your back like you do in so many other places. Massive props to Moot for keeping 4chan alive as a bastion of free speech.

Complete bullshit. Reddit's /r/news, /r/politics, and /r/worldnews (which are default subreddits focused on politics) are regularly raided by Stormfront . Just this week the Reddit administrators finally got it into their heads to ban /r/niggers, which had functioned as "Stormfront on Reddit". This won't accomplish much, since subreddits like /r/WhiteRights or /r/newright remain alive and serve much the same purpose.…

The fact that you are so hostile to these politically incorrect subreddits and blanketly label them all as "Stormfront" makes it clear that you are not in a position of rationality.

None of those groups ever "raided" anyone, unless you define it as linking from one subreddit to another. None of them ever encouraged downvoting, or even participation (although you can't expect them to not participate at all).

Some -- or at least one -- of the Reddit admins is a participant of the SRS (Shit Reddit Says) community which is notorious for being #1 for "brigading" other subs and massively downvoting anything and everything they disagree with. They have never even been considered for a ban to my knowledge, even though they sometimes discuss things like killing men.

It's fine for Reddit to make a decision to ban a subreddit because it might garner some bad press. However, it is ironic that Reddit call, or even consider itself a bastion free speech. They have banned other politically incorrect subreddits before (jailbait).

If you look at the rules which offending subreddits supposedly violated, you'll see that they are really just a tool for Reddit admins to selectively ban whomever they want.

"..regularly raided by Stormfront" -- I actually laughed out loud at this. Please, grow up.

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